Last edited by karlon; 05-01-2013 at 01:17 AM.
I'm going to agree re: Hubert and Gusmeroli. Both very underrated skaters with incredible height and power on their jumps. I think Tanja Szewczenko deserves mention as well - when she was on her jumps were massive.
I'm not sure how you can even begin to rate this, unless you limit it to jumps in competition. Because you don't know what these skaters, or skaters you've never even heard of, could do out of competition or in some other setting. E.g. Dorothy Hamill had some fairly reliable triple jumps, but usually only did doubles in competition.
That being said, Rory Flack (Burghart) belongs on this list for her Russian split jump. I don't know of any lady who has even come close to the extension Rory gets on that jump.
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If you're going to include Szewczenko, you might as well include Gracie Gold. She got edge calls on the flip this year, but not as much in previous years, and at no time was her lip anything like as bad as Volchkova's.
In any case I find this list rather amusing. Ando the best jumper? Granted, she is very good. While watching her in practices I was impressed by the power of her jumps, but they don't compare with either Midori's or Tonya's. If not for COP, Miki might have experimented with more difficult jumps and combinations.
1. Midori Ito
2. Yu Na Kim
3. Irina Slutskaya
4. Tonya Harding- would be #2 or #1 but way too inconsistent
5. Elaine Zayak- ahead of her time in jumps
6. Tara Lipinski
7. Mao Asada
8. Denise Biellmann- super consistency on triples to old age
9. Kristi Yamaguchi- consistency doing hardest triples until she was about 30
10. Katarina Witt- I know this sounds funny but in early 80s she was part of pushing womens jumps along with Zayak, Biellmann, and Ito. In 1982 she was doing the hardest jump layout of any women in the World with 5 triples including a triple flip (Zayak was doing 6 but mostly just triple toes).
not sure after that. Any of Thomas, Manley, Fratianne, Kostner, Czako, Malinina, Sebeysten, Volchkova, Sokolova, Kwan, Bonaly, Neledina, Gold, Rochette could be picked as places 11-20. Probably some others.
The meaning of my words, even if the success rate is a bit low, The thing which only one person can is much more valuable than others.
There will be a more stabled If she did 3-3. but she always said that she try to 3a for the challenge. In terms of "challenge", it is more valuable.
I think the value of 3a is not high enough yet. I believe Mao is included in the legend as a jumper.
Last edited by torren; 05-01-2013 at 01:59 AM.
Krisztina Czako was an excellent name to bring up - she had huge (!) triples and a fairly consistent triple toe/triple toe.
I would rank Kerrigan's jumps ahead of other American skaters like Yamaguchi and Lipinski. But when I read this question, quality not consistency came to mind.
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In terms of proper edge takeoff and height, I'd say Tonya Harding, Midori Ito, Nancy Kerrigan, Oksana Baiul, Chen Lu (LOVED the delayed spin!), Maria Butyrskaya, and Surya Bonaly. Don't follow today's skaters, which is why my list doesn't include the skaters of today.
I truly have a hard time understanding what makes Mao Asada such a great jumper. Is the 3axel really worth that much? Take that away and what are you left with? A skater with a good 3flip and 3loop and a nice double axel. Her 3salchow is inconsistent at best and her 3lutz has never even been a lutz. The 3toe has never had good technique, either. Honestly, she deserves credit for the 3axel but Mao is not even CLOSE to being one of the top 10 jumpers of all time and I wouldn't even put her in the top 20. That is just being blinded by one jump.
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Butyrskaya had a gorgeous loop and 3lutz but her jumps never had nice flow. I agree about your assessment on Asada, despite the triple axel, she had to rework her entire jump layout for some years now. Chen had beautiful jumps from 92-96, but doesn't come close to the top 2 Ito and Harding.
Kim is the only one to come close to Ito and Harding, but even there her loop and salchow aren't as good, and she doesn't have the axel they had.