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    Becky Bereswill & Joshua Reagan join a growing pairs program at Detroit SC

    http://www.icenetwork.com/news/artic...&vkey=ice_news
    ... And, over the past season or so, DSC has added a growing pairs program to its three-rink facility.

    The latest team to join its ranks: Becky Bereswill and Joshua Reagan, who began training under Jason Dungjen, Yuka Sato and Sergey Petrovskiy early this month.
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    Bereswill and Reagan will train alongside Japan's Narumi Takahashi and Ryuichi Kihara, as well as European bronze medalists Stefania Berton and Ondrej Hotarek of Italy, who spend much of their time at DSC. Dungjen and Petrovskiy also coach two teams who hope to compete on the Junior Grand Prix this fall -- Kaitlin Budd and Nikita Cheban, the 2013 U.S. novice silver medalists; and Aya Takai and Brian Johnson, fourth in U.S. novice in 2013 -- as well as the new pairing of Sumire Suto and Konstantin (Stan) Chizhikov.
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    I hope they work out!

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    I hope this works: it will be nice to see two long-lined skaters, and Viktoria Borzenkova, who is around Bereswill's height, was a favorite of mine.

    I'm sure it occurs more than the typical pairs break-up press release would suggest, but that Johns sat down Yankowskas and Reagan to say they weren't a good match was coaching.
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    Huh. This'll be interesting. U.S. pairs is going to be a real dogfight next year for the Olympic & world teams.
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    Anyone know why josh and Caitlin didn't work out? They didn't stay together for very long.

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    Did you read the article?
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    I'm a fan or Becky Bereswill so I hope this works out for them I also hope that Caitlin Y. can find a partner with which she can skate the best that she possibly can She's just too good of a skater to not be competing.

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    Oh jeez. So many partner switches. Wonder what Trevor Young thinks of this. As I recall, he was dumped by Becky after one bad Nationals. At that point she was going to try ice dance. Then 2 more years singles, now back to pairs. The height issue is going to be very difficult to overcome here. Don't see how they would ever get a 3twist.

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    5'6" is very tall for a pairs skater whose partner is only 6 feet. Maybe I could see her with a skater of Simon Shnapir's height but I doubt they will scare any of the top contenders next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julieann View Post
    5'6" is very tall for a pairs skater whose partner is only 6 feet. Maybe I could see her with a skater of Simon Shnapir's height but I doubt they will scare any of the top contenders next year.

    Agreed and it is just simple physics. If they were dance or even adagio it would be good too although the lifts in dance are a lot more complicated now. A triple twist she will have to do on her own and the lifts are very limited. They will have good jumps and good throws cause she can do those on her own but other issues as we saw before are unavoidable due to height. Even attaining the right force for a death spiral will be hard. I predict this will end very much like Y/R did It sounds like Joshua is trying to recapture the old C/R but not sure that will happened for him. I think C/R worked cause they were lower level but the time senior came along they just could not keep up with the twist and other things that have to have a physics compliment in that advanced level. Wish them well but they have a ton of challenges. I bet their lines will be very nice though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julieann View Post
    5'6" is very tall for a pairs skater whose partner is only 6 feet. Maybe I could see her with a skater of Simon Shnapir's height but I doubt they will scare any of the top contenders next year.
    It can be done though. Jean-Sebastien Fecteau, who won five Canadian pairs medals with two partners (Valerie Saurette and Utako Wakamatsu) from 1997-2006, had a HUGE height difference with his second partner, Wakamatsu, as well. Fecteau was 6'0" and Wakamatsu was 4'11". They not only had a very strong triple twist but an advantage in lifts as well. It's all about how you maximize the difficulty. You even look at especially tall skaters over the years - Evan Lysacek, Laurent Tobel, even Olga Markova in ladies - they made it work to their advantage. I hope these 2 work out for sure! Going to a battle next at Nationals.

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    I have to disagree because a team skating before 2006 had totally different elements than the pair teams of today. Pair skating has changed as I said only lower levels can handle this as the senior level to be competitive requires so much more. I loved the pairs you mentioned but way back when well lets just say pairs today in the senior level looks NOTHING like the past. Quad twist...triple twist with arms coming down by hips and then catching the girl. More complicated lifts...etc...so I am hopeful but as the other poster said no contest with the top us teams and it is just based on the more difficult elements required to compete against the best in the world. Sometimes I don't even recognize pairs today the element are crazy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_Halifax View Post
    You even look at especially tall skaters over the years - Evan Lysacek, Laurent Tobel, even Olga Markova in ladies - they made it work to their advantage. I hope these 2 work out for sure!
    Markova was all of 5ft3. Did you mean someone else, like Volchkova, maybe? Even though she wasn't all that tall, either, more like 5ft6.

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    For those questioning the Y/R breakup, this is what Reagan said in the article:

    "Caitlin and I skated together for a year, and certain things worked, certain things didn't," Reagan said. "[Coach] Johnny [Johns] kind of sat us down and said he didn't think we were the right match for each other, and that was kind of it. It wasn't a particular element, it was more overall training; we just weren't right for each other."
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    Quote Originally Posted by julieann View Post
    5'6" is very tall for a pairs skater whose partner is only 6 feet.
    And yet James/Cipres are those same heights, and they are doing rather well. But what they are pulling off is incredibly rare, obviously.

    It's strange how some pairs you think might work don't, and yet ones you wouldn't think would work actually do. It's almost like magic getting a pair team that's truly a good fit, there's no exact formula.

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    Poor Caitlin...took them one year to figure out that they were not the right match? I am sure that there is more to the story but she must have been devastated.
    Ingo Steuer told James/Cipres that they were not the right match but that they could prove him wrong. I guess they kinda did so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirkbiggestfan View Post
    Poor Caitlin...took them one year to figure out that they were not the right match? I am sure that there is more to the story but she must have been devastated.
    Certain timing things could be fixed over time, like getting your SBS jump set-ups to match or adjusting your timing for a throw jump, but other times it just doesn't happen. And, yes that can take months of training to figure that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirkbiggestfan View Post
    Poor Caitlin...took them one year to figure out that they were not the right match? I am sure that there is more to the story but she must have been devastated.
    Ingo Steuer told James/Cipres that they were not the right match but that they could prove him wrong. I guess they kinda did so far.
    Isn't there always?

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    Becky is the same height as Ashley Cain, who was quite visibly too tall for Reagan at the end of their partnership. I know Becky is very slight in build, as is Ashley, but even if her weight is comparable to a girl who's several inches shorter, it's still going to make a lot of the elements very difficult.

    Also as for James/Cipres, I know James is listed as 5'6" but I have trouble believing she's anywhere close to that considering http://www.goldenskate.com/wp-conten.../neb_pairs.jpg
    Voloshoshar (listed 5'3"/160 cm and believably that height) appears to be similar in height, even a hair taller than James who doesn't even look significantly taller than Caydee Denney who is only like 5'1".
    Also team France in Detroit http://franceolympique.com/files/Ima...3/detroit3.jpg, they are all in sneakers, Mae Berenice is 5'6" and Pechelat is 5'4" so that would make James around 5'2"-5'3"...no clue how she got listed as tall as 167 cm but she clearly isn't, whereas Bereswill is actually 5'6". So I don't think the situations are really comparable (because from what I reckon James is about 5'2.5" which is a very normal height for a pairs woman)

    Wishing the best for this team but it seems like Reagan has been going through partners really quick for awhile now...we'll see how it works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    Oh jeez. So many partner switches. Wonder what Trevor Young thinks of this. As I recall, he was dumped by Becky after one bad Nationals. At that point she was going to try ice dance. Then 2 more years singles, now back to pairs. The height issue is going to be very difficult to overcome here. Don't see how they would ever get a 3twist.
    Was he dumped? I thought he was on the verge of retirement, and he and Becky agreed to give pairs a shot (I don't think she'd done pairs before working with him).
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