View Poll Results: If Mao had been able to compete at the 2006 Olympics, where would she have placed?

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  • 5th

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    Profile: Mao Asada & Kim Yu-Na

    This profile takes a look back at the competitive careers of Mao Asada and Kim Yu-Na up to the end of the 2009/10 season, and the rivalry between them during that period.

    Mao Asada was born on the 25th September 1990 in Nagoya, Aichi Prefecture, Japan. She began as a ballet dancer, but then switched to figure skating in 1995, following the lead of her elder sister, Mai, who was also a figure skater.

    Kim Yu-Na was born on the 5th September 1990 in Bucheon, Gyeonggi Province, South Korea. She started skating at the age of 7 and her then coach, Jong-Hyeon Ryu, persuaded her family to allow her to continue, predicting that she would ultimately become a world class figure skater.

    Early Days

    Kim Yu-Na

    Mao Asada

    2001/02

    Kim: SP = Can-Can, LP = The Carnival of the Animals

    Kim's first major competition was the 2002 South Korean junior nationals, which she won. She was then entered into the 2002 Triglav Trophy novices competition, which she also won (Danielle Kahle finishing 2nd).

    2002/03

    Mao: SP = Say Hey Kids, LP = Inca Dance and Andes
    Kim: SP = Can-Can, LP = Carmen


    Mao Asada

    Mao competed at Japanese Nationals in the novice event, the junior event, and in seniors. She finished 1st, 4th, and 7th respectively (Fumie Suguri winning the senior competition, with Shizuka Arakawa 3rd, and Miki Ando 5th).

    Japanese Nationals - SP & FS

    Kim Yu-Na

    In South Korean Nationals, Kim Yu-Na won the senior competition (becoming the youngest skater ever to win the Championships - aged 12)

    South Korean Nationals - FS

    2003/04

    Mao: SP = Orchestral Suite, LP = Waltz-Scherzo in C major Op. 34
    Kim: SP = Snowstorm, LP = Carmen


    Mao Asada

    Mao again competed at Japanese Nationals in the novice, junior, and senior events where she finished 1st, 4th, and 8th respectively.

    Japanese Nationals - SP, Japanese Nationals - FS

    Mao also finished 1st in the Mladost Trophy and Helena Pajović Cup novice events

    Kim Yu-Na

    Kim retained her South Korean senior nationals title

    South Korean Nationals - FS (copy SP from another competition)

    Kim also won the novice event at the Golden Bear of Zagreb competition

    2004/05

    Mao: SP = Over the Rainbow, LP = La Boutique Fantastique
    Kim: SP = Snowstrom, LP: Papa, Can You Hear Me? (from Yentl)


    Mao Asada

    Mao competed in the Junior Grand Prix for the first time. She won both the American and Ukrainian JGP events, which qualified her for the final. She then won the JGPF.

    JGPF - SP, JGPF - FS

    Mao then competed at Nationals, where she won the Junior competition and finished runner up in the senior competition to Miki Ando.

    Junior Japanese Nationals - FS, Senior Japanese Nationals - SP, Senior Japanese Nationals - FS

    Asada then went on to win the Junior World Championships, beating Kim into 2nd place

    Junior World Championships - SP, Junior World Championships - FS, Junior World Championships - Gala

    Kim Yu-Na

    Kim also made her JGP debut, winning her first event in Hungary and finishing second in China. This qualified her for the final, where she finished 2nd to Mao.

    JGPF - SP, JGPF - FS

    Kim then retained her South Korean Nationals title, before competing at the Junior World Championships where she again finished 2nd to Mao. In the FS, she landed a 3+3 combination in competition for the first time

    Junior World Championships - SP, Junior World Championships - FS, Junior World Championships - Exhibition

    2005/06

    Mao: SP = Carmen, LP = The Nutcracker
    Kim: SP = El Tango de Roxanne (from Moulin Rouge!) & Despertar, LP = Papa, Can You Hear Me? (from Yentl)


    Mao Asada

    Mao missed eligibility for the 2006 senior Worlds and Olympics by just 87 days. Hence, she could not compete in either.

    Nevertheless, Mao was eligible to compete in the senior Grand Prix. She finished 2nd to Irina Slutskaya in her first GP event, the Cup of China (beating Shizuka Arakawa, who finished 3rd)

    Cup of China - SP, Cup of China - FS

    Mao then won her second GP event, the Trophée Eric Bompard, defeating both Sasha Cohen (2nd) and Shizuka Arakawa (3rd) in the process

    TEB - SP, TEB - FS, Medal Ceremony, Exhibition

    Mao then went on to win the GPF, beating Irina Slutskaya (2nd) and Miki Ando (4th). Accordingly, during the GP, Mao had beaten all of the major contenders who would make the podium at the 2006 Olympics (i.e. Arakawa, Cohen, & Slutskaya)

    GPF - SP, GPF - FS, GPF - FS (2nd Copy), Profile, Interview

    For the 2nd consecutive year, Mao then finished 2nd at the senior Japanese Nationals (won by Fumie Suguri)

    Japanese Nationals - SP, Japanese Nationals - FS

    As Mao was unable to compete at senior Worlds or the Olympics, she competed at the Junior World Championships where she finished 2nd to Kim. Nevertheless, despite losing her world junior title, she had the consolation of becoming the first ever lady to land a 3A in a SP at the Championships.

    Junior World Championships - SP, Junior World Championships - FS

    Kim Yu-Na

    Kim remained in the JGP. She won her first JGP event of the season in Slovakia

    JGP Skate Slovakia - SP, JGP Skate Slovakia - FS

    Kim followed this up by winning her second JGP event in Bulgaria, which qualified her for the JGPF which she also won. In her FS in the JGPF, she landed 7 triples, including a 3F+3T combination.

    JGPF - SP, JGPF - FS

    Kim then retained her South Korean Nationals title

    South Korean Nationals - FS

    Kim then won the Junior World Championships, beating Mao into 2nd place.

    Junior World Championships - SP, Junior World Championships - FS, Junior World Championships - Exhibition

    2006/07

    Mao: SP = Nocturne No.2 Op. 9–2 in E flat major (Chopin), LP = Csárdás
    Kim: SP = El Tango de Roxanne (from Moulin Rouge!) & Despertar, LP = The Lark Ascending


    Mao Asada

    Asada started the new season with a new coach, Rafael Arutunian, and moved to train with him at Lake Arrowhead, California. This had the benefit of enabling her to escape the attentions of the Japanese media.

    Mao began the season by finishing 3rd at Skate America (won by Miki Ando)

    Skate America - SP, Skate America - FS, Skate America - Exhibition

    Asada then won the NHK Trophy (Fumie Suguri 2nd). In the process, she set a new ISU world record for the combined score of 199.52

    NHK Trophy - SP, NHK Trophy - FS

    Mao then finished 2nd in the GPF to Kim

    GPF - SP, GPF - FS

    Asada then became Japanese National Champion for the first time (Miki Ando 2nd)

    Japanese Nationals - SP, Japanese Nationals - FS

    Mao & Kim went into the World Championships as the 2 favourites. However, in a huge upset, Miki Ando took the title. Mao was in 5th place after the SP (in which she popped the 2nd part of her combination), but then won the LP with a new ISU world record for the FS of 133.13. This moved her up to 2nd place overall, losing out to Ando by just 0.64 points!

    World Championships - SP, World Championships - FS

    Kim Yu-Na

    Kim made her senior Grand Prix debut at Skate Canada, in which she finished 3rd (winner: Joannie Rochette)

    Skate Canada - SP, Skate Canada - FS, Skate Canada - Exhibition

    Kim then won her next GP event, the Trophée Eric Bompard (2nd: Miki Ando, 4th: Joannie Rochette)

    TEB - SP, TEB - FS, TEB - Exhibition

    Kim then won the GPF, beating Mao into 2nd place

    GPF - SP, GPF - FS, GPF - Exhibition

    At the world championships, Kim led after the SP, in which she set a new ISU world record for the SP of 71.95. However 2 falls in her FS mean't that she finished 4th in the LP, which dropped her to 3rd overall.

    World Championships - SP, World Championships - FS

    At the end of the season, Brian Orser took over as Kim's new coach and Kim moved to Toronto to train with him.

    2007/08

    Mao: SP = Fantasia for Violin and Orchestra, LP = Fantaisie-Impromptu
    Kim: SP = Die Fledermaus, LP = Miss Saigon


    Mao Asada

    Mao began the season by winning Skate Canada (2nd Yukari Nakano)

    Skate Canada - SP, Skate Canada - FS

    Mao also won her next GP event, the Trophée Eric Bompard (2nd Kimmie Meissner)

    TEB - SP, TEB - FS

    At the GPF, Mao finished 2nd to Kim. A disastrous SP had left her in 6th place. However, she won the FS, which moved her up to 2nd place overall.

    GPF - SP, GPF - FS

    Next, Mao retained her Japanese Nationals title (2nd: Miki Ando)

    Japanese Nationals - SP, Japanese Nationals - FS

    After Japanese Nationals, Mao left her coach, Rafael Arutunian, and performed for the remainder of the season without one. She also moved back to Japan to train at the Aurora Rink at Chukyo University. This coachless period began with her winning the 4CC title (2nd: Joannie Rochette)

    4CC - SP, 4CC - FS

    Mao finished the season by winning the World title (2nd: Kostner, 3rd: Kim)

    World Championships - SP, World Championships - FS

    Kim Yu-Na

    Kim's season started with a win at the Cup of China (2nd: Caroline Zhang)

    COC - SP, COC - FS

    Kim also won her second GP event of the season, the Cup of Russia (2nd: Yukari Nakano). In the LP, Kim set a new ISU world record for the FS of 133.70.

    COR - SP, COR - FS

    Kim won the GPF, beating Mao into 2nd place

    GPF - SP, GPF - FS

    Nevertheless, a hip injury and back problems prevented Kim from competing at Nationals and in the 4CC.

    Kim concluded her season by finishing 3rd at the World Championships. A fall on her 3Z in her SP had left her in 5th place. However, she won the FS, which moved her up to 3rd overall. Her poor showing was attributed to ongoing hip and back problems

    World Championships - SP, World Championships - FS

    2008/09

    Mao: SP = Claire de Lune, LP = Waltz from Masquerade Suite by Khachaturian
    Kim: SP = Danse Macabre, LP = Scheherazade


    Mao Asada

    Mao began the season with a new coach, Tatiana Tarasova. The decision to appoint Tarasova attracted considerable criticism. It was suggested that the programs Tarasova produced for Mao were inappropriate, in that they were too 'overpowering'. It was also pointed out that Tarasova was more of a dance coach, and did not have a strong enough technical background. There was also criticism for incorporating a 3A into Mao's SP, given that Mao's success rate in landing the 3A was perhaps too low to warrant such a move.

    Mao finished 2nd in her first GP event of the season, the Trophée Eric Bompard (winner: Joannie Rochette). In her SP, she singled out on the 2R in her 3F+2R combination, and doubled out on her 3Z. In her FS, she made multiple mistakes.

    TEB - SP, TEB - FS

    Nevertheless, Mao rebounded to win her 2nd GP event, the NHK Trophy (2nd: Akiko Suzuki)

    NHK - SP, NHK - FS

    Mao followed this up by winning the GPF (2nd: Kim). In doing so, she became the first lady to land two 3A's in the same program (in an ISU competition) in the FS (one in combination with a 2T).

    GPF - SP, GPF - FS

    Asada then retained her Japanese Nationals title (2nd: Fumie Suguri)

    Japanese Nationals - SP, Japanese Nationals - FS

    During the 2nd half of the season, Mao suffered a considerable dip in form. This began with a 3rd place finish at the 4CC (winner; Kim). In her SP, Mao under-rotated the 3R part of her 3F+3R combination and doubled out on her 3Z. This left her in 6th place entering the LP. She won the FS segment, however, and this moved her up into 3rd place

    4CC - SP, 4CC - FS

    At the World Championships, Mao finished out of the medals in 4th place (winner: Kim). Mao again doubled out on her 3Z and was in 3rd place after the SP. Mistakes in her LP meant that she finished 4th in the FS, which dropped her down to 4th overall.

    World Championships - SP, World Championships - FS

    Mao finished the season by competing in the World Team Trophy, in which she won the Ladies event (2nd: Joannie Rochette). In winning, she set new personal bests for the combined score (201.87) and for the SP (75.84)

    WTT - SP, WTT - FS

    Kim Yu-Na

    Kim began the season by winning Skate America (2nd: Yukari Nakano)

    Skate America - SP, Skate America - FS

    Kim followed this up by winning the Cup of China (2nd: Miki Ando)

    COC - SP, COC - FS

    At the GPF, however, Kim was beaten into 2nd place by Mao. Kim won the SP, but a 2nd placed finish in the LP (brought about by singling out on a 3Z and a fall on a 3S) mean't that she dropped down to 2nd place overall

    GPF - SP, GPF - FS

    Kim's next competed at the 4CC, which she won (2nd: Joannie Rochette, 3rd: Mao). In the SP, she set a new ISU world record for the SP of 72.24.

    4CC - SP, 4CC - FS

    Kim concluded the season by winning the World title for the first time (2nd: Joannie Rochette, 3rd: Miki Ando, 4th: Mao). In the SP, she set a new ISU world record for the SP of 76.12. She also went on to set a new ISU world record for the combined total, of 207.71. In doing so, she became the first lady to break the 200 barrier for the combined score.

    World Championships - SP, World Championships - FS

    2009/10

    Mao: SP = Waltz from Masquerade Suite, LP = Bells of Moscow
    Kim: SP = James Bond Medley, LP = Concerto in F by George Gershwin


    Mao Asada

    Mao began the Olympic season by finishing 2nd to Kim at the Trophée Eric Bompard

    TEB - SP, TEB - FS

    Next, Mao performed disastrously at the Rostelecom Cup, finishing 5th (winner: Miki Ando). Making multiple mistakes, she finished 6th in the SP and 5th in the LP. As a result of this, Mao failed to qualify for the GPF

    Rostelecom Cup - SP, Rostelecom Cup - FS

    Tarasova began to have health problems at this point in the season, and Mao was effectively coached for most of the rest of the season by Tarasova’s assistant, Jeanetta Folle, in Nagoya. Nevertheless, Mao retained her Japanese Nationals title (2nd: Akiko Suzuki)

    Japanese Nationals - SP, Japanese Nationals - FS

    Mao's next competition was the 4CC, which she won (2nd: Akiko Suzuki)

    4CC - SP, 4CC - FS

    Mao then finished a distant 2nd at the Olympics to Kim, finishing 2nd in both the SP and the LP. Nevertheless, she had the consolation of being the first lady to land three 3A's in an ISU competition (one in the SP, and two in the LP). She also set a new PB for the combined score, of 205.50.

    Olympics - SP, Olympics - FS

    Nevertheless, Mao finished the season on a high by regaining the World title (2nd: Kim)

    World Championships - SP, World Championships - FS

    Kim Yu-Na

    Kim began the season by beating Mao at the Trophée Eric Bompard. In doing so, she set new ISU world records for the FS of 133.95 and for the combined score of 210.03.

    TEB - SP, TEB - FS

    Kim also won her 2nd GP event, Skate America (2nd: Rachael Flatt). In doing so, she set a new ISU world record for the SP of 76.28.

    Skate America - SP, Skate America - FS

    Next, Kim won the GPF (2nd: Miki Ando)

    GPF - SP, GPF - FS

    Kim followed this up by winning the Olympic title. In winning, Kim set new world records for the SP (78.50), the LP (150.06), and the total overall score (228.56).

    Olympics - SP, Olympics - FS

    Kim concluded her season by finishing 2nd to Mao at the World Championships.

    World Championships - SP, World Championships - FS

    At the end of the 2013/14 season, I shall compile part 2 to this piece covering the 2010-14 quad.
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    2nd~4th.

    Sasha‘s Olympics SP >> Mao‘s 0506GPF SP.
    Arakawa‘s Olympics LP >> Mao‘s 0506GPF LP. (Besides maturity, Arakawa‘s skating skills are much better than Mao‘s. This is seen in their spirals too.)
    Last edited by t.mann; 04-28-2013 at 04:49 PM.

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    I think Asada would have at least won silver. That would have been good, and Slutskaya wouldn't have had to throw her bronze in the trash like she did.

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    I seriously don't understand why people think Mao could win Olympic 2006??? If Mao could then well, Yuna could, why not

    But of course, I don't think either of them could win Olympic 2006

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    Mao win easily. kim would be 7~10

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    Kim would have made too many mistakes, and no one liked her then. She only won 2006 Jr Worlds because Mao had a bad attitiude and wasted her prep time practicing the quadruple loop. Having already won 2005 Junior Worlds and the Sr Grand Prix Frinal, Mao decided a 4L would be her new focus for the rest of the year. It was not a smart plan, and it showed in her dismal performance at Jr Worlds.
    Last edited by TheIronLady; 04-28-2013 at 04:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIronLady View Post
    Kim would have made too many mistakes, and no one liked her then. She only won 2006 Jr Worlds because Mao had a bad attitiude and wasted her prep time practicing the quadruple loop. Having already won 2005 Junior Worlds and the Sr Grand Prix Frinal, Mao decided a 4L would be her new focus for the rest of the year. It was not a smart plan, and it showed in her dismal performance at Jr Worlds.
    Plus Kim had no experience in competing in senior level events, unlike Mao who had competed in the senior grand prix that season and won the final. In fact, during that season, Mao had beaten all of the main contenders for the Olympic title (including the 3 who won medals). As the juniors entering seniors for the first time over the last few years have discovered, the transition to seniors is a daunting and difficult one to make.

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    And also Kim could not get PCS same as Mao.
    her programs were so juniorish, choreography and costumes were poorish.

    Mao already had a famous coach, and the famous choreographer.
    Last edited by torren; 04-28-2013 at 05:33 PM.

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    I think based on her performances in the pre-Olympic season, she had a chance for a medal at least, possibly gold if the top contenders made mistakes which they did. At that point in their careers, Mao had more momentum on her side than Yuna. As for her performances at junior worlds that year, she was probably much less motivated to compete there after her considerably successful run in her first senior season.

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    If we base it on how the competition was actually skated then Mao probably would have won gold. She had been very consistent and strong that season and regularly defeated Slutskaya, Arakawa, and Cohen when they made any mistakes, and all made mistakes at the Games. Then again who knows, Shizuka especialy might have brought out more content had Mao been there. Mao also might have cracked under the presure of her first time at such a big event, it is no sure means she delivers either.

    Kim would not have been on the podium IMO, even with all the mistakes of Cohen and Slutskaya. Her SP would have left her way behind, 6 months later at Skate Canada as a much more mature skater she did an outstanding short with one of the best triple-triples ever, great jumps and spins, and striking choreography and footwork, and still barely scored over 60, and got much lower PCS than Fumie Suguri. It would have taken her a whole year atleast to establish herself as a big enough name with enough rep points, especialy in a veteran laden field. Maybe in the LP she could have been top 3 with how the event was skated, but she would have been too far behind after the SP to medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Kim would not have been on the podium IMO, even with all the mistakes of Cohen and Slutskaya. Her SP would have left her way behind, 6 months later at Skate Canada as a much more mature skater she did an outstanding short with one of the best triple-triples ever, great jumps and spins, and striking choreography and footwork, and still barely scored over 60, and got much lower PCS than Fumie Suguri. It would have taken her a whole year atleast to establish herself as a big enough name with enough rep points, especialy in a veteran laden field. Maybe in the LP she could have been top 3 with how the event was skated, but she would have been too far behind after the SP to medal.
    In that time, Kim had not same artistry with Mao or Fumie IMO.
    she didn't same level with Slutskaya or Mao technically.

    She was just one of the top skaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    In that time, Kim had not same artistry with Mao or Fumie IMO.
    she didn't same level with Slutskaya or Mao technically.

    She was just one of the top skaters.
    YuNa was nearly unknown to the sakting world, but she certainly had better artistry than Mao at 2006 Jr. Worlds. On the other hand, Mao was simply a jumping bean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakewood View Post
    YuNa was nearly unknown to the sakting world, but she certainly had better artistry than Mao at 2006 Jr. Worlds. On the other hand, Mao was simply a jumping bean.
    I have said about when Kim compete in 2006 Skate Canada.

    In skate canada which kim's first senior debut Grand prix, Yuna's sp -http://youtu.be/JkyqiJhhZOY fs-http://youtu.be/ICj9l2nbqQ4
    Mao's first Grand prix in the same season, Mao's sp - http://youtu.be/ZmyUwtmch9w fs-http://youtu.be/tP5oCLcigKo
    In my opinion, Mao already had pure artistry. She skated with properly understand the music and her skating was well suited to the music.

    kim used her arms a lot, but spin position was not good and spiral was unstabled, She did not skating like Senior yet.
    Last edited by torren; 04-29-2013 at 09:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    I have said about when Kim compete in 2006 Skate Canada.

    In skate canada which kim's first senior debut Grand prix, Yuna's sp -http://youtu.be/JkyqiJhhZOY fs-http://youtu.be/ICj9l2nbqQ4
    Mao's first Grand prix in the same season, Mao's sp - http://youtu.be/HD_4LR7yRvc fs-http://youtu.be/tP5oCLcigKo
    In my opinion, Mao already had pure artistry. She skated with properly understand the music and her skating was well suited to the music.

    kim used her arms a lot, but spin position was not good and spiral was unstabled, She did not skating like Senior yet.
    Haha, no I disagree. YuNa already showed splendid artistry as most vividly demonstrated in her 2007 Worlds. Both her Tango and Lark were just beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    In that time, Kim had not same artistry with Mao or Fumie IMO.
    she didn't same level with Slutskaya or Mao technically.

    She was just one of the top skaters.


    In skate canada, Fumie suguri's sp http://youtu.be/yAH-aqm3_18 fs - http://youtu.be/mEUd-LSfR-U
    Yuna kim's sp - http://youtu.be/WSsvwcEdRC4 fs - http://youtu.be/9uptM1q0qWA

    Fumie's artistry?
    Last edited by karlon; 04-29-2013 at 09:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    In that time, Kim had not same artistry with Mao or Fumie IMO.
    You made a point. Asada is as artistic as Suguri.
    In 2013 worlds, BBC commantator is calling her ''Jumping Queen'', while she
    is describing Yuna as "breathtaking artistry", ''one of the all-time greats''
    What is all this? Since when her uber-fans started promoting her Artist?

    In 2006 Skate Canada , Yuna already received standing ovation from savvy Canadian audiences in her senior debut. Susie Wynne was commentating that she will fill the void of the great Michelle Kwan after her shorts.
    Last edited by johnny158; 04-29-2013 at 11:33 PM.

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    I think we are all assuming that if Mao skated clean against the performances at olympics yes she would have won. But if all were to have skated clean i would say she would have placed 3rd behind shizuka and irina. Sasha would have been lower because of her inability to do 3-3 at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8ingcoach View Post
    I think we are all assuming that if Mao skated clean against the performances at olympics yes she would have won. But if all were to have skated clean i would say she would have placed 3rd behind shizuka and irina. Sasha would have been lower because of her inability to do 3-3 at the time.
    Didn't Sasha had a 3/3 sequence ? Something as 3T half loop 3Sal ?

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