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    Top 30 skaters/teams of all time per event

    Who would be your top 20 of all time in each of the 4 skating events. Mine are:

    Pairs:

    1. Gordeeva & Grinkov
    2. Protoppopovs
    3. Rodnina & Zaitsev
    4. Miskutienok & Dmitriev
    5. Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze
    6. Shen & Zhao
    7. Totmianina & Marinin
    8. Valova & Vasiliev
    9. Savchenko & Szolkowy
    10. Wagner & Paul
    11. Underhill & Martini
    12. Voloszhar & Trankov (will jump to 5th or 6th after next season though)
    13. Rodnina & Ulanov
    14. Dafoe & Bowden
    15. Pang & Tong
    16. Kilius & Baumler
    17. Kazahkova & Dmitriev
    18. Baess & Theirbach
    19. Brasseur & Eisler
    20. Shishkova & Naumov
    21. Kovarikova & Novotny
    22. Selezneva & Makarov
    23. Babiliona & Gardner
    24. Herber & Baier
    25. Rotter & Szollas
    26. Shishkova & Naumov
    27. Bechke & Petrov
    28. Leonova & Khavlko (pro career)
    29. Zhang & Zhang
    30. Meno & Sand


    Men:

    1. Evgeny Plushenko
    2. Dick Button
    3. Alexei Yagudin
    4. John Curry
    5. Kurt Browning
    6. Robin Cousins
    7. Brian Boitano
    8. Elvis Stojko
    9. Toller Cranston
    10. Scott Hamilton
    11. Gillis Grafstrom
    12. Stephane Lambiel
    13. Hayes Jenkins
    14. Karl Schafer
    15. Daisuke Takahashi
    16. David Jenkins
    17. Viktor Petrenko
    18. Jan Hoffmann
    19. Ondrej Nepela
    20. Emmerich Danzer
    21. Viktor Petrenko
    22. Ilia Kulik
    23. Karl Schafer
    24. Ulrich Salchow
    25. Alexei Urmanov
    26. Tim Wood
    27. Donald Jackson
    28. Patrick Chan
    29. Brian Joubert
    30. Charlie Tickner



    Dance:

    1. Klimova & Ponomarenko
    2. Torvill & Dean
    3. Gritschuk & Platov
    4. Pakhomova & Gorshkov
    5. Bestiamanova & Bukin
    6. Virtue & Moir
    7. Anissina & Peizerat
    8. Krylova & Ovsiannikov
    9. Usova & Zhulin
    10. Davis & White
    11. Moiseeva & Minenkov
    12. Navka & Kostomarov
    13. Regoczy & Sallay
    14. Towler & Ford
    15. Romanova & Roman
    16. Denova & Stayviski
    17. Wilson & McCall
    18. Belbin & Agosto
    19. Blumberg & Seibert
    20. Linichuk & Karpanasov
    21. Delobel & Schoenfelder
    22. Bourne & Kraatz
    23. Drobiazko & Vanagas
    24. Duchensay & Duchensay
    25. Schowmeyer & Sladky
    26. O'Connor & Millns
    27. Annenko & Stretenski
    28. Rahkammo & Kokko
    29. Fusar Poli & Margalio
    30. Lobacheva & Averbuhk

    Ladies:

    1. Yu Na Kim
    2. Katarina Witt
    3. Irina Slutskaya
    4. Janet Lynn
    5. Midori Ito
    6. Sonja Henjie
    7. Dorothy Hamill
    8. Michelle Kwan
    9. Peggy Fleming
    10. Kristi Yamaguchi
    11. Herma Szabo
    12. Carol Heiss
    13. Tenley Albright
    14. Madge Syers
    15. Cecelia Colledge
    16. Mao Asada
    17. Shizuka Arakawa
    18. Tara Lipinski
    19. Trixi Schuba
    20. Lu Chen
    21. Maria Butyrskaya
    22. Yuka Sato
    23. Sasha Cohen
    24. Oksana Baiul
    25. Denise Biellmann
    26. Barbara Ann Scott
    27. Gabriel Seyfert
    28. Carolina Kostner
    29. Debi Thomas
    30. Caryn Kadavy

    The ladies was the hardest as it left out the most number of worthy people. Womens should really be a top 80 list.
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    I dont care about enough skaters to pick 30:

    Pairs- 1. Gordeeva and Grinkov, 2. Totmianina and Marinin, 3. Miskutienok and Dmitriev, 4. Prottoppoppovs, 5. Rodnina and whoever, 6. Volosozhar and Trankov, 7. Berezhnaya and Sikhardlidze, 8. Wagner and Paul, 9. Underhill and Martini, 10. Shen and Zhao


    Men- 1. Browning, 2. Yagudin, 3. Lambiel, 4. Takahashi, 5. Plushenko, 6. Button, 7. Jenkins Brothers, 8. Cousins, 9. Curry, 10. dunno another Canadian

    Ladies- 1. Ando, 2. Henie, 3. Witt, 4. Hamill, 5. Fleming, 6. Lynn, 7. Ito, 8. Yamaguchi, 9. Kim, 10. Kwan

    Dance- joke, who cares

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andofanatic View Post
    I dont care about enough skaters to pick 30:

    Pairs- 1. Gordeeva and Grinkov, 2. Totmianina and Marinin, 3. Miskutienok and Dmitriev, 4. Prottoppoppovs, 5. Rodnina and whoever, 6. Volosozhar and Trankov, 7. Berezhnaya and Sikhardlidze, 8. Wagner and Paul, 9. Underhill and Martini, 10. Shen and Zhao


    Men- 1. Browning, 2. Yagudin, 3. Lambiel, 4. Takahashi, 5. Plushenko, 6. Button, 7. Jenkins Brothers, 8. Cousins, 9. Curry, 10. dunno another Canadian

    Ladies- 1. Ando, 2. Henie, 3. Witt, 4. Hamill, 5. Fleming, 6. Lynn, 7. Ito, 8. Yamaguchi, 9. Kim, 10. Kwan

    Dance- joke, who cares
    Funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabybackhand View Post
    Who would be your top 20 of all time in each of the 4 skating events. Mine are:

    Pairs:

    1. Gordeeva & Grinkov
    2. Protoppopovs
    3. Rodnina & Zaitsev
    4. Miskutienok & Dmitriev
    5. Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze
    6. Shen & Zhao
    7. Totmianina & Marinin
    8. Valova & Vasiliev
    9. Savchenko & Szolkowy
    10. Wagner & Paul
    11. Underhill & Martini
    12. Voloszhar & Trankov (will jump to 5th or 6th after next season though)
    13. Rodnina & Ulanov
    14. Dafoe & Bowden
    15. Pang & Tong
    16. Kilius & Baumler
    17. Kazahkova & Dmitriev
    18. Baess & Theirbach
    19. Brasseur & Eisler
    20. Shishkova & Naumov
    21. Kovarikova & Novotny
    22. Selezneva & Makarov
    23. Babiliona & Gardner
    24. Herber & Baier
    25. Rotter & Szollas
    26. Shishkova & Naumov
    27. Bechke & Petrov
    28. Leonova & Khavlko (pro career)
    29. Zhang & Zhang
    30. Meno & Sand


    Men:

    1. Evgeny Plushenko
    2. Dick Button
    3. Alexei Yagudin
    4. John Curry
    5. Kurt Browning
    6. Robin Cousins
    7. Brian Boitano
    8. Elvis Stojko
    9. Toller Cranston
    10. Scott Hamilton
    11. Gillis Grafstrom
    12. Stephane Lambiel
    13. Hayes Jenkins
    14. Karl Schafer
    15. Daisuke Takahashi
    16. David Jenkins
    17. Viktor Petrenko
    18. Jan Hoffmann
    19. Ondrej Nepela
    20. Emmerich Danzer
    21. Viktor Petrenko
    22. Ilia Kulik
    23. Karl Schafer
    24. Ulrich Salchow
    25. Alexei Urmanov
    26. Tim Wood
    27. Donald Jackson
    28. Patrick Chan
    29. Brian Joubert
    30. Charlie Tickner



    Dance:

    1. Klimova & Ponomarenko
    2. Torvill & Dean
    3. Gritschuk & Platov
    4. Pakhomova & Gorshkov
    5. Bestiamanova & Bukin
    6. Virtue & Moir
    7. Anissina & Peizerat
    8. Krylova & Ovsiannikov
    9. Usova & Zhulin
    10. Davis & White
    11. Moiseeva & Minenkov
    12. Navka & Kostomarov
    13. Regoczy & Sallay
    14. Towler & Ford
    15. Romanova & Roman
    16. Denova & Stayviski
    17. Wilson & McCall
    18. Belbin & Agosto
    19. Blumberg & Seibert
    20. Linichuk & Karpanasov
    21. Delobel & Schoenfelder
    22. Bourne & Kraatz
    23. Drobiazko & Vanagas
    24. Duchensay & Duchensay
    25. Schowmeyer & Sladky
    26. O'Connor & Millns
    27. Annenko & Stretenski
    28. Rahkammo & Kokko
    29. Fusar Poli & Margalio
    30. Lobacheva & Averbuhk

    Ladies:

    1. Yu Na Kim
    2. Katarina Witt
    3. Irina Slutskaya
    4. Janet Lynn
    5. Midori Ito
    6. Sonja Henjie
    7. Dorothy Hamill
    8. Michelle Kwan
    9. Peggy Fleming
    10. Kristi Yamaguchi
    11. Herma Szabo
    12. Carol Heiss
    13. Tenley Albright
    14. Madge Syers
    15. Cecelia Colledge
    16. Mao Asada
    17. Shizuka Arakawa
    18. Tara Lipinski
    19. Trixi Schuba
    20. Lu Chen
    21. Maria Butyrskaya
    22. Yuka Sato
    23. Sasha Cohen
    24. Oksana Baiul
    25. Denise Biellmann
    26. Barbara Ann Scott
    27. Gabriel Seyfert
    28. Carolina Kostner
    29. Debi Thomas
    30. Caryn Kadavy

    The ladies was the hardest as it left out the most number of worthy people. Womens should really be a top 80 list.
    Those lists are horrible. Some of the skaters you listed were from like the 1920s and 1930s. Unless a skater has won double digit # of big titles like Sonja H. nobody from that far back should be included even in a top 50 list.

    Any ladies list should have Kadavy and Trenary. Beautiful skaters.

    Any mens list should have Eldredge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabybackhand View Post
    Who would be your top 20 of all time in each of the 4 skating events. Mine are:

    Men:

    1. Evgeny Plushenko
    2. Dick Button
    3. Alexei Yagudin
    4. John Curry
    5. Kurt Browning
    6. Robin Cousins
    7. Brian Boitano
    8. Elvis Stojko
    9. Toller Cranston
    10. Scott Hamilton
    11. Gillis Grafstrom
    12. Stephane Lambiel
    13. Hayes Jenkins
    14. Karl Schafer
    15. Daisuke Takahashi
    16. David Jenkins
    17. Viktor Petrenko
    18. Jan Hoffmann
    19. Ondrej Nepela
    20. Emmerich Danzer
    21. Viktor Petrenko
    22. Ilia Kulik
    23. Karl Schafer
    24. Ulrich Salchow
    25. Alexei Urmanov
    26. Tim Wood
    27. Donald Jackson
    28. Patrick Chan
    29. Brian Joubert
    30. Charlie Tickner

    Ladies:

    1. Yu Na Kim
    2. Katarina Witt
    3. Irina Slutskaya
    4. Janet Lynn
    5. Midori Ito
    6. Sonja Henjie
    7. Dorothy Hamill
    8. Michelle Kwan
    9. Peggy Fleming
    10. Kristi Yamaguchi
    11. Herma Szabo
    12. Carol Heiss
    13. Tenley Albright
    14. Madge Syers
    15. Cecelia Colledge
    16. Mao Asada
    17. Shizuka Arakawa
    18. Tara Lipinski
    19. Trixi Schuba
    20. Lu Chen
    21. Maria Butyrskaya
    22. Yuka Sato
    23. Sasha Cohen
    24. Oksana Baiul
    25. Denise Biellmann
    26. Barbara Ann Scott
    27. Gabriel Seyfert
    28. Carolina Kostner
    29. Debi Thomas
    30. Caryn Kadavy

    The ladies was the hardest as it left out the most number of worthy people. Womens should really be a top 80 list.
    I think john curry must be higher than Yagudin.
    Imo I think he was a little overrated. His career is short as it can not even compare with plushenko.

    And personally I can not agree at all with female top30.
    Gold medal of Olympic Games does not have a great value like this.... the difference Value as a skater of Kim Yu Na and Mao is not so big.
    1. Janet Lynn
    2. Midori Ito
    3. Sonja Henjie
    4. Peggy Fleming
    5. katarina witt
    6. Dorothy Hamill
    7. Michelle Kwan
    8. Yu Na Kim
    9. Kristi Yamaguchi
    10. Mao asada
    Last edited by torren; 04-30-2013 at 10:05 PM.

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    Women: 1. Yu Na Kim, 2. Michelle Kwan, 3. Janet Lynn, 4. Midori Ito, 5. Sonja Henie, 6. Irina Slutskaya, 7. Herma Szabo, 8. Cecelia Colledge, 9. Madge Syers, 10. Kristi Yamaguchi
    Men: 1. Patrick Chan, 2. Dick Button, 3. Alexei Yagudin, 4. Evgeny Plushenko, 5. John Curry, 6. Robin Cousins, 7. Brian Boitano, 8. Scott Hamilton 9. Kurt Browning, 10. Toller Cranston

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    I think john curry must be higher than Yagudin.
    Imo I think he was a little overrated. His career is short as it can not even compare with plushenko.

    And personally I can not agree at all with female top30.
    Gold medal of Olympic Games does not have a great value like this.... the difference Value as a skater of Kim Yu Na and Mao is not so big.
    1. Janet Lynn
    2. Midori Ito
    3. Sonja Henjie
    4. Peggy Fleming
    5. katarina witt
    6. Dorothy Hamill
    7. Michelle Kwan
    8. Yu Na Kim
    9. Kristi Yamaguchi
    10. Mao asada
    The difference in Kim and Asada in all time ranking right now is enormous. Unless Asada wins the OGM it will remain so. Every aspect of Kim's record is superior to Mao's not just the Olympic Gold, and at her best she produces way higher level of skating and scores than Mao ever did. Many consider Kim the best ever and most dont even have Mao top 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chanunderrated View Post
    Men: 1. Patrick Chan, 2. Dick Button, 3. Alexei Yagudin, 4. Evgeny Plushenko, 5. John Curry, 6. Robin Cousins, 7. Brian Boitano, 8. Scott Hamilton 9. Kurt Browning, 10. Toller Cranston
    Patrick Chan is the Best of All Time???
    He is not even considered as one of the greatest.

    If he received a fair judgment, His career would be just one time world champion.
    You are similar with andofanatic. - only Uber target is not a Miki Ando, to Patrick Chan. She/He was also said that the best all-time in women's skater is Ando Miki, Without any reasonable, just because she/he is her uber.
    Last edited by karlon; 05-01-2013 at 01:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabybackhand View Post
    Who would be your top 20 of all time in each of the 4 skating events. Mine are:



    Men:

    17. Viktor Petrenko
    18. Jan Hoffmann
    19. Ondrej Nepela
    20. Emmerich Danzer
    21. Viktor Petrenko

    I likes me two Viktor Petrenkos. Or maybe three or four, even. Yes indeed!

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    Top 5 I would have

    Women 1st Kim, 2nd Ito, 3rd Lynn, 4th Henie, 5th Kwan
    Men 1st Button, 2nd Curry, 3rd Yagudin, 4th Plushenko, 5th Browning
    Pairs 1st Totmianina & Marinin, 2nd Gordeeva & Grinkov, 3rd Volosozhar & Trankov, 4th Sale & Pelletier, 5th Shen & Zhao
    Dance 1st Virtue & Moir, 2nd Davis & White, 3rd Torvill & Dean, 4th Klimova & Ponomarenko, 5th Anissina & Peizerat or Usova & Zhulin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andofanatic View Post
    Any ladies list should have Kadavy and Trenary. Beautiful skaters.

    Any mens list should have Eldredge.
    ITA agree re: Caryn & Todd. I also think it's a travesty not to include Brian Orser in the men's list. I'd also include Paul Wylie (esp. as a pro).

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    Mens:

    1. Kurt Browning
    2. Dick Button
    3. Alexei Yagudin
    4. Evgeny Plushenko
    5. Stephane Lambiel
    5. John Curry
    5. Robin Cousins
    5. Toller Cranston
    6. Daisuke Takahashi
    7. Paul Wylie
    8. Viktor Petrenkl
    9. Brian Boitano
    10. Patrick Chan

    Women: 1. Dorothy Hamill, 2. Dorothy Hamill, 3. Yu Na Kim, 4. Janet Lynn, 5. Midori Ito, 6. Sonja Henji, 7. Katarina Witt, 8. Caryn Kadavy, 9. Irina Slutskaya, 10. Mao Asada

    Pairs and dance: Not that interested

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    Pairs- Gordeeva & Grinkov best, Sale & Pelletier second best, Shen & Zhao third, Berzhnaya & Sikhardludze fourth, Protopopovs fifth, Rodnina & Zaitsev sixth.

    Ladies- Kim first, Witt second, Henie third, Ito fourth, Lynn fifth, Asada sixth, Hamill seventh, Kwan eigth, Slutskaya ninth, Yamaguchi tenth

    Men- Curry first, Yagudin second, Browning third, Button fourth, Orser fifth

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    I would add Petra Burka to the ladies. She did the first triple sal I think. And also the Jelineks and Dafoe and Bowden to the pairs, for being innovators of some of today's elements.

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    Another post like this again? There are pointless as all skaters skated in different era. You cannot compare skaters who was doing double as the hardest jumps and some lame spin 50-60 years ago with current skaters who are doing 6-7 triples with load of different spins. Also have u seen how fast skating on ice now vs slow skating and chessy movement from years ago??

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    Quote Originally Posted by googooeyes View Post
    I would add Petra Burka to the ladies. She did the first triple sal I think. And also the Jelineks and Dafoe and Bowden to the pairs, for being innovators of some of today's elements.
    Burka was underrated. It was sad how she was just pushed aside completely for Fleming.

    Dafoe & Bowden lost Olympics by political works. They were a great team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderlen View Post
    Another post like this again? There are pointless as all skaters skated in different era. You cannot compare skaters who was doing double as the hardest jumps and some lame spin 50-60 years ago with current skaters who are doing 6-7 triples with load of different spins. Also have u seen how fast skating on ice now vs slow skating and chessy movement from years ago??
    Agreed. Plus somebody is the best skater... on what basis? What are the criterias? Some posters made own lists, they put their favorites on the first-second places who are really great, after they put the other best skaters on 3-4-5 places. I think that is Ok.
    _____

    But it is so weird, that skater, who is one of the most decorated champion of post Second World War era( with D. Button), who has unique long carreer, who was on the top since 1998( he was out off the podium two times; 1998 GPF and 2000 WCH, but he won 46 gold, 12 silver, 4 bronze in seniors) who received most of the 6,0s before the COP was introduced http://www.kingonice.com/evgeni6-0.htm ( 70 6.0s for his presentation and 5 6.0s for technical merit), he was able to win in both systems, he was an innovator, a poster thinks he isn't in the top five. I believe that is more than bias....
    I also can make my lists, but I don't find meaning...
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    Most people probably dont pick Button since he was so far in the past very few have even seen him skate. Best ever talks will always favor people atleast recent enough people saw them compete, in figure skating or other sports. It is hard to as highly recognize someone you have virtually no idea what they looked like.

    That is why nobody picks Sonja Henie as the best ever even though a million years from now her records probably wont have been broken.

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    These lists are difficult and maybe not even viable to make because the conditions change. And while they're subjective, some positionings objectively make no sense (like Slutskaya over Kwan ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andofanatic View Post
    I dont care about enough skaters to pick 30:

    Pairs- 1. Gordeeva and Grinkov, 2. Totmianina and Marinin, 3. Miskutienok and Dmitriev, 4. Prottoppoppovs, 5. Rodnina and whoever, 6. Volosozhar and Trankov, 7. Berezhnaya and Sikhardlidze, 8. Wagner and Paul, 9. Underhill and Martini, 10. Shen and Zhao


    Men- 1. Browning, 2. Yagudin, 3. Lambiel, 4. Takahashi, 5. Plushenko, 6. Button, 7. Jenkins Brothers, 8. Cousins, 9. Curry, 10. dunno another Canadian

    Ladies- 1. Ando, 2. Henie, 3. Witt, 4. Hamill, 5. Fleming, 6. Lynn, 7. Ito, 8. Yamaguchi, 9. Kim, 10. Kwan

    Dance- joke, who cares
    Lazy.

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