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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyjosie View Post
    As for Albena - I didn't think you were putting her down. In interviews she always gave a lot of credit to Maxim for teaching and helping her. It was definitely him who did the riskier work, especially in the lifts. But still, they are a good match IMO.

    And so we agree on F-P/M being a couple with a big difference in skills (under competition conditions)...? Of course we talk about match/mismatch, and not about good/bad.
    Worst partner...I'm glad there is no poll about who we think was the worst...oh dear. I'd never ever call any skater/ice dancer, male or female, a bad partner. Maybe a partner can be the wrong choice, and it would work out better for both if they skated with other partners. I think there's barely any couple ablsolutely equally matched.
    If you want to talk about worst partner, you'd probably have to go find someone who literally has never been on skates. Obviously any who can compete internationally is amazing. I can't even skate backwards...

    And I think that Denkova and Staviski matched well as a team, but in terms of content, I feel like he did the heavy lifting (no pun intended)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    Remember that the way CDs were judged under CoP was very subjective. The base value of the dance was the same for everyone. There were no levels, and I don't even think the technical specialist had much of a role other than calling falls/violations. Basically it was just assign whatever PCS you want and whatever GOE you want, so if they could win on PCS they certainly could win on TES too. (I thought they did a good job with that CD, btw).
    Their PCS matched N/K but the tech was higher - so they got more GOE on the tech than anyone else. Which even with the fact that it was subjective and the judges wanted them to give the win there F-P/M did not get there because of PCS but TES. They way they are written about you wouldn't think he had the skills to even do the parts required of a CD. So that is why I brought up the technical specialist.

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    I disagree about Chait and Sakhnovsky being the most matched. After all, she wasn't skating, she was being dragged around thrusting her toe picks into the ice...

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    I'd throw in Valeria Starygina/Ivan Volobuev. He is sooooooo much better than her.
    I also had the feeling that Jana Khokhlova was better than Sergei Novitski.

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    Most of the ones being mentioned are all from around the same time - FP/M, L/A, C/S, G/G, L/T, D/S, N/K - around 98-02 cycle - could it be that changes to required elements showed up the differences more?

    I liked most of the teams at that time so I don't know who I would choose - probably Denkova/Staviski. Theirs was the only real mismatch which made me not enjoy watching as much. Navka & Kostomarov also was noticable but I only watched her anyway so that was ok.

    FP/M was far more noticable in 2006 to me than earlier on - he really struggled with the difficulty and speed in a way that was almost painful to watch.

    I think Lang/Tchernyshev were very mismatched at first but she did improve and she always looked very elegant.

    I loved Grushina/Goncharov and did think he was good - just slow!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by miffy View Post
    Most of the ones being mentioned are all from around the same time - FP/M, L/A, C/S, G/G, L/T, D/S, N/K - around 98-02 cycle - could it be that changes to required elements showed up the differences more?
    Or teams from 10-15 years ago are more well known to posters here than teams from 20-30-40 years ago.

    I wasn't really following ice dance before the early 1990s, although I did make some effort to catch up via video, and reading, after I got interested. I gather that, e.g., Pakhamova was considered much stronger technically than Gorshkov. But I couldn't tell you who the 5th- or 10th-place team in the world was during the era when they were competing, let alone whether such teams were well matched.

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    Nora Hoffman and her pathers.
    Rubleva Sheffer. Mattews-Zavoin (i think she was much better, then he).

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    [QUOTE=pani;3908057]Nora Hoffman and her pathers.
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    Arhhh the diva Nora will we ever see her again ?

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    Khokhlova and Andreev, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwizzlerS View Post
    I think there is then a level of mismatch that's not the "most" but is pretty evident, like Lang & Tchernyshev, Lobacheva & Auerbach, Drobiazko & Vanagas, and Grushina & Goncharov.
    Drobiazko improved towards the end of her career, but I remember some of their earlier programs where it was pretty obvious the push and pull angsty choreography was just an attempt to mask the fact he had to drag her around the ice. Don't think she could have kept up otherwise . Tobias/Stagniūnas were also mismatched din terms of power and ice coverage to begin with, but they've come a long way since.

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    Wester / Barantsev That was so painful to watch at the beginning.

    Angelika Krylova with her first partners. They were not bad, but she had so much charisma and fire that she made them disappear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miffy View Post
    Most of the ones being mentioned are all from around the same time - FP/M, L/A, C/S, G/G, L/T, D/S, N/K - around 98-02 cycle - could it be that changes to required elements showed up the differences more?
    Yes! It's why so many are saying the same people. that when the new rules of 98-02 and then certainly later were implemented dancers real technical level was exposed severely and obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    Khokhlova and Andreev, lol.
    We have a winner!

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    Gilles and Poirier are pretty mismatched

    But yes - Khoklova and Andreev - was he even a dancer? I thought he did singles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    Gilles and Poirier are pretty mismatched

    But yes - Khoklova and Andreev - was he even a dancer? I thought he did singles?
    IA with Gilles and Poirier. Chock/Bates too. I know this post is going to anger a lot of people but may I be the devil's advocate and suggest D/W? Overall I feel like she is better than him but he has better edges than her (I think that's why he falls all the time his edges are crazy and deep) and sometimes I feel like I'm watching two great single skaters dance with each other and that they don't skate as one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parapluies View Post
    I know this post is going to anger a lot of people but may I be the devil's advocate and suggest D/W? Overall I feel like she is better than him but he has better edges than her (I think that's why he falls all the time his edges are crazy and deep) and sometimes I feel like I'm watching two great single skaters dance with each other and that they don't skate as one.
    I don't think that Meryl is better than Charlie. When you start learning more about ice dance it becomes quite obvious that he is doing most of the work technically in terms of skating and also lifting. And it's a huge exaggeration that he falls all the time. He almost fell once last season, and this season he didn't fall at all. Meryl may be more noticeable in terms of expression and I've had the feeling that she is the one who drives the pair forward emotionally and performance wise, but when I actually look at Charlie I see that he is not that bad either - he is just subtler at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    Gilles and Poirier are pretty mismatched

    But yes - Khoklova and Andreev - was he even a dancer? I thought he did singles?
    Well Charlie White did singles! But that was always in addition to dance and dance was the first love I think. Because he chose dance over singles and hockey I believe. Singles doesn't mean that one can't be a dancer! Or learn the dances and patterns. They were not an embarrassing dance team. They were better than I/K in the 2011 Russian nationals Free dance! They could've had a great career as a possible Russian number 2 team. B/S always being the number one since Vancouver.

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    Had he done ice dance with a broom or mop, Peter Tchernyshev might have found a partner closer to his athletic and technical level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIronLady View Post
    Had he done ice dance with a broom or mop, Peter Tchernyshev might have found a partner closer to his athletic and technical level.

    What a nice remark....

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    Naomi had very elegant body line, but she really could only turn in one direction, AFAIR, so Lang & Tchernyshev would be a choice.

    I'd have to go with Khoklova & Andreev if they had had a long career, but they only skated together a year or so, hardly time for him to catch up.

    For teams currently skating, Gilles & Poirier. However, really such a conclusion about worst mismatch should be made at the end of the couple's career, not at the beginning.

    Of couples that made the medal level, it would have to be Grushina & Goncharov. He had nowhere near the power in his stroking that she did, nor anything else at her level, really.

    Maurizio had elegant carriage and a good ability to catch the character of the dance, especially of the Latin dances & tango.

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