This poll causes death in the soul. There is only one contemporary ice-dancer that a case can be made for.
If we're talking best, I have to go with Tessa Virtue. She has amazing skating skills and great technique and also moves her body very well.
However, my favorite female ice dancer is Tatiana Navka. I love the way that she carries herself on the ice. She has such charisma and an unmatched sexiness. She was also an amazing skater and dancer in her own right and has beautiful lines.
Love Navka too and ITA about the sexiness. Incredible presence and gorgeous line. And Tessa is such a complete dancer that she is definitely in the top group for me...i just find it impossible to choose a winner.
Regarding the rhumba choctaws, they really are so tricky and I don't feel they are necessarily reflective of overall technique, imo. It is funny because Usova had beautiful turnout so one might think she would have an easier time with that partcular step, but it is so difficult to place the blade right in time on the outside edge and get that backwards momentum. I wonder if we watched Klimova, Gritschuk, and Torville perform their respective choctaws in slow motion if we might sometimes see the same issue I identified with the Canton females, but I take your point about hiding it, gk_891. I've always felt that Usova's overall edge control and all-around technique was excellent. What other things did your coach point to, briancoogaert, if you don't mind sharing. I find these discussions fascinating
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Jayne Torvill. If she had her own category I think she would have more votes.
"I hit him with my shoes... if he had given me the medal like I told him to, I wouldn't have had to hit him!" -- 8-year-old Rhoda Penmark in "The Bad Seed"
Why is Meryl Davis not an option?
I picked Marina Klimova for her edges, lines, emotion, and the overall beauty of her skating.
I was annoyed at first with the concept of having levels in a pattern dance (same steps ought to equal same base value), but I'm seeing it now. By assigning the level, you reward the couple for doing the key points correctly; however, you still have GOE to judge the other general qualities that made a good CD. I'm not sure this is occurring in practice and there even seems to be confusion among fans. I have read a lot of comments that so-and-so got good levels on the YP, so how could their GOE be low, and vice versa?
And on another totally unrelated note, wanted to mention a couple of excellent female ice dancers that never made it to the top because of injuries or partner issues: Anastasia Grebenkina, Emily Samuelson, Jamie Silverstein, Jana Kokhlova, and Nora Hoffman.
I wouldn't have described the data quite that way.
C&L hit 2 more key points over the season than D&W and V&M did. D&W and V&M hit exactly the same number of key points. All 3 teams had at least one international event where they hit 6 key points.
V&M Skate Canada 3 kp
V&M CoR 3 kp
V&M GPF 5 kp
V&M 4CCs 5 kp
V&M Worlds 6 kp
V&M Total 22 kp
D&W Skate America 4 kp
D&W NHK 3 kp
D&W GPF 4 kp
D&W 4CCs 6 kp
D&W Worlds 5 kp
D&W Total 22 kp
C&L Skate Canada 4 kp
C&L TEB 5 kp
C&L GPF 6 kp
C&L Euros 4 kp
C&L Worlds 5 kp
C&L total 24 kp
Sorry, I was referring to Worlds in VM's case. I knew C-L had success with their levels this season, but why the low GOE? Thanks for bringing those numbers!
I voted for Marina. I love her originality, her edges and artistry.
You mess with the bull, you get the horns; words to live by, to my mind. - Robeye
Interesting points about the pattern dances. Missing a key point is very costly and the GOEs, which relect the quality of the pattern, don't really allow you to make up the difference in levels because the judges can only award integers ranging from -3 to +3 (and then that is converted with the scale of values). For example in the Yankee Polka, one could miss the right back outside edge of the closed choctaw on the first section and get dropped a level which translates to one less point than a level 4. They could still execute a strong overall pattern (deep edges, great amplitude, etc.) but even if they score a full GOE higher than the next closest team, that only translates to a 0.5 point advantage over that team, which still leaves them with a deficit of 0.5. They would have to be far superior in the pattern to make up that lost point (as they would need to be 2 full GOEs ahead of the next team to do so) since there is not much with which the judges can separate the teams in the GOEs for the pattern, so it makes missing a key point very costly. Does that make sense? I wish the scale of values allowed for 1.0 points per GOE for those patterns.
I dunno a lot of technique in ice dancing, but honoring the great ESTA I will say my all time favourite is Pasha!
If I were Natalia Bestemianova, I would have used conditioner and combed my hair. I also would have told Tarasova to lay off all the squat position choreography.
Bestemianova was my favorite Carmen before Virtue played her.