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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    Really? All the articles I read have said they have a pretty clean record, just a few minor infractions- which pretty much every company would have.

    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater View Post
    They said last night that they had a lapsed certificate, or something like that, 5 or so years ago but they rectified that situation. I haven't heard of any other safety breaches.
    These are the things I've heard, too. Minor administrative infractions.
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    Just got a CBC News Alert to my iPod Touch....Police have removed 40 bodies from the Plant during the night/morning.

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    I live very close to West & as of now the official death toll is 14. I don't know where that Canadian news agency got their number. That doesn't seem like very responsible reporting - more like sensationalism. There could eventually be that many deaths but that number is not confirmed at this time.

    Our contractor is a volunteer fireman in a nearby town & my husband talked to him this morning - he said one of his friends was killed in the blast. So I think the news we are getting here is more accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taf2002 View Post
    . I don't know where that Canadian news agency got their number.

    They didn't. The news flash I got on my phone this morning from CBC said 12 were recovered. That's the number on the flash, on their web site, and being reported on their TV channel.

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    It could very well climb that high before all this is over.

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    About safety violations, I am sure there are public documents if someone wants to look up. Right now I am more concerned about the victims of the blast. I can't imagine the death toll being just 12, based on the pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    It could very well climb that high before all this is over.
    Very true but it is irresponsible to report 40 if only 14 are confirmed. I pray that 14 is the correct number.

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    I can't find anything from CBC saying that 40 bodies had been removed.

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    Didn't we have two lectures recently from the above poster saying 1) Canadian news reporting is less sensationalistic than that in the US, & 2) that SHE knows correct news reporting?

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    All I did was report what the News Flash/Alert I got said. That's it. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AragornElessar View Post
    All I did was report what the News Flash/Alert I got said. That's it. That's all.

    Could it be you meant missing? Because according to the Huffington Post; the official death toll is 14 but there is some 60 people missing.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3118483.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    I am so sad to hear this. West is a teeny little town, just a drive through for most people. I frequently drove through it to get from Austin to Waco. There was a little gas station called the Czech Stop that had the greatest kolaches in the world. They have a very strong Czech community there- a college roommate has a lot of extended family in West. He scholarships were all from the West Czech club.
    Many people I know know West, Texas because of the Czech stop

    My coworker, who is from Texas City, was talking about the Texas City explosion decades ago that the West city disaster reminded him of (of course, the one in Texas city was one of the worst ones in US history)

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    No, because I didn't bother to do anything else other than look at the alert. I've got a vicious head cold right now and combine that w/being up very late last night following what was going on in Boston, I basically looked at the iPod, then put it back down and I fell back asleep. When I checked it again a few hours later, it was still on the screen when I turned it back on and it was the exact same message as I posted this Morning.

    As I said earlier, that's what I saw, the CBC is usually right about these things, so I didn't think twice about posting it.

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    From CNN, this morning:

    14 bodies recovered after Texas blast
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/tex...html?hpt=hp_t3

    The destruction made it hard to account for exactly how many people had been displaced, McLennan County Judge Scott Felton said Friday. He estimated that 99% of people originally thought to be missing had been accounted for.

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    Sorry to be morbid...but these 14 recovered, were they the 14 already confirmed dead? And how many more are missing?
    One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taf2002 View Post
    Very true but it is irresponsible to report 40 if only 14 are confirmed. I pray that 14 is the correct number.
    It would be nice if there were none. (sigh)

    We travelled close to there when we were in TX in Feb. My heart goes out to the community of West.

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    The mayor is the person who was sharing the higher number of fatalities with the media, who reported what he said.

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    It is now believed that all the missing has been accounted for so the death toll hopefully will not climb any higher.

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    There are reports that the plant was storing 1,350-times the amount of ammonium nitrate that would normally trigger oversight by the Department of Homeland Security, but failed to comply with reporting requirements. DHS didn't even know the plant existed until it exploded.

    I know this probably should be in PI, but what outrages me is that this will probably be called a regulatory failure by Republicans, who will blame the Obama administration. Of course, it is Republicans who have been eliminating inspections and "job-killing" regulations in the first place, leaving it to businesses to self-report instead. I would rather have "job-killing" regulations than "people-killing" businesses. Oh, and for the people of West, who have had their lives destroyed, good luck getting recovery. The plant owners will almost certainly declare bankruptcy, while the insurance companies will cover up to policy limits, but also will try to argue that they should not be liable for what were criminal acts by the plant owners in stockpiling amounts of explosive fertilizer far in excess of legal limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reckless View Post
    There are reports that the plant was storing 1,350-times the amount of ammonium nitrate that would normally trigger oversight by the Department of Homeland Security, but failed to comply with reporting requirements. DHS didn't even know the plant existed until it exploded.

    I know this probably should be in PI, but what outrages me is that this will probably be called a regulatory failure by Republicans, who will blame the Obama administration. Of course, it is Republicans who have been eliminating inspections and "job-killing" regulations in the first place, leaving it to businesses to self-report instead. I would rather have "job-killing" regulations than "people-killing" businesses. Oh, and for the people of West, who have had their lives destroyed, good luck getting recovery. The plant owners will almost certainly declare bankruptcy, while the insurance companies will cover up to policy limits, but also will try to argue that they should not be liable for what were criminal acts by the plant owners in stockpiling amounts of explosive fertilizer far in excess of legal limits.

    The big irony will be that whatever isn't paid out by the fertilizer company or insurance will come from government coffers. It all comes back to tax payers one way or another.
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