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    My 20 predictions for 2013-2014 season.

    These are 20 things I have a feeling will happen next season.

    1. Yu Na Kim will win her 2nd Olympic Gold, then retire again, only to return sometime in the next quad, possibly winning her 3rd pre Olympic Worlds and 3rd Olympics in the process, her usual pattern.
    2. Davis & White will win their 1st Olympic Gold, then win their 3rd World title, and then turn pro.
    3. Virtue & Moir will win their 1st Olympic Silver, skip Worlds, and turn pro.
    4. Akiko Suzuki will win the Olympic bronze, then win the World title on home ice, then turn pro.
    5. Miki Ando will attempt a comeback and place 3rd or 4th at Nationals, which will be insufficient to make the team.
    6. Evan Lysacek will attempt a comeback and place 3rd or 4th at Nationals, which will be insufficient to make the team.
    7. Evgeny Plushenko will skate at a final Olympics, place between 5th to 9th, then retire for good.
    8. Voloszhar & Trankov will win their 1st Olympic Gold, win their 2nd straight Worlds, then go back on their original thoughts and continue awhile longer.
    9. Savchenko & Szolkowy will win their 2nd straight Olympic bronze, and then retire, without even going to the post Olympic Worlds.
    10. Team Canada will win an impressive 4 medals at the Games, but only 1 gold, in the Team Event.
    11. Ashley Wagner will surprise most people by retaining her U.S title over Gracie Gold. She will win the bronze at the post Olympic Worlds, then go pro.
    12. Christina Gao will finally make the Olympic and World team, and perform admirably at both, and continue with the sport post Sochi.
    13. Chan will place from 3rd to 5th at the Olympics, then go pro before the Worlds.
    14. Takahashi will place from 5th to 9th at his final Olympics, then go pro.
    15. Brian Joubert will place from 5th to 9th at his final Olympics, then go pro.
    16. Carolina Kostner will win the Olympic silver, then go pro after the season.
    17. Javier Fernandez will win the Olympic Gold.
    18. Alissa Czisny will make a final comeback, placing 5th to 7th at Nationals, then go pro.
    19. Caroline Zhang will skate at her final Nationals, placing outside the top 10, then go pro.
    20. Kevin Reynolds will medal at the post Olympic Worlds.

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    How can all these skaters "go pro" when there are limited tour opportunities? The Russian and Japanese skaters might find a berth in tours in their countries, but the pickings are slim in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euterpe View Post
    How can all these skaters "go pro" when there are limited tour opportunities? The Russian and Japanese skaters might find a berth in tours in their countries, but the pickings are slim in the US.
    There is still American Stars on Ice (although probably going under in a year or two) and Canadian Stars on Ice which is going stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wristflick View Post
    These are 20 things I have a feeling will happen next season.

    1. Yu Na Kim will win her 2nd Olympic Gold, then retire again, only to return sometime in the next quad, possibly winning her 3rd pre Olympic Worlds and 3rd Olympics in the process, her usual pattern.
    I agree with the first part, but I don't think she'll come back after Sochi.
    2. Davis & White will win their 1st Olympic Gold, then win their 3rd World title, and then turn pro.
    Yes.
    3. Virtue & Moir will win their 1st Olympic Silver, skip Worlds, and turn pro.
    This too.
    4. Akiko Suzuki will win the Olympic bronze, then win the World title on home ice, then turn pro.
    I don't think she'll win the bronze. She may win the world title if Mao, Carolina, and Yu-Na skip Worlds.
    5. Miki Ando will attempt a comeback and place 3rd or 4th at Nationals, which will be insufficient to make the team.
    I don't think she'll make a comeback, but if she does that result will probably occur.
    6. Evan Lysacek will attempt a comeback and place 3rd or 4th at Nationals, which will be insufficient to make the team.
    I don't think he'll make a comeback and may be even lower than that if he does.
    7. Evgeny Plushenko will skate at a final Olympics, place between 5th to 9th, then retire for good.
    Yes.
    8. Voloszhar & Trankov will win their 1st Olympic Gold, win their 2nd straight Worlds, then go back on their original thoughts and continue awhile longer.
    Likely the first two things, but I'm not sure about the third. There's a chance.
    9. Savchenko & Szolkowy will win their 2nd straight Olympic bronze, and then retire, without even going to the post Olympic Worlds.
    Nah, S&S will win silver and then they'll retire.
    10. Team Canada will win an impressive 4 medals at the Games, but only 1 gold, in the Team Event.
    Yes.
    11. Ashley Wagner will surprise most people by retaining her U.S title over Gracie Gold. She will win the bronze at the post Olympic Worlds, then go pro.
    The first, I think will come true. The bronze at the post-Olympic worlds depends on who is there. She may stay in eligible competition for a couple more seasons.
    12. Christina Gao will finally make the Olympic and World team, and perform admirably at both, and continue with the sport post Sochi.
    I doubt it. I think Zawadzki will make the team(s).
    13. Chan will place from 3rd to 5th at the Olympics, then go pro before the Worlds.
    I think he'll be 2nd or 3rd, can't see him all the way down in 5th. You may be right about him not attending the Worlds because he did complain about having to go to WTT after Worlds.
    14. Takahashi will place from 5th to 9th at his final Olympics, then go pro.
    Probably right.
    15. Brian Joubert will place from 5th to 9th at his final Olympics, then go pro.
    Probably right. Hopefully not lower than 9th.
    16. Carolina Kostner will win the Olympic silver, then go pro after the season.
    Either the silver or the bronze, yeah.
    17. Javier Fernandez will win the Olympic Gold.
    Maybe, but I think it will be Hanyu.
    18. Alissa Czisny will make a final comeback, placing 5th to 7th at Nationals, then go pro.
    It's likely, but probably closer to 7th than 5th.
    19. Caroline Zhang will skate at her final Nationals, placing outside the top 10, then go pro.
    I think she might finish within the top 10, but will retire after that.
    20. Kevin Reynolds will medal at the post Olympic Worlds.
    Depends on who is there.
    Just my thoughts on these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    There is still American Stars on Ice (although probably going under in a year or two) and Canadian Stars on Ice which is going stronger.
    But it's only a couple of weeks in a year. And there isn't many opportunities for European skaters, only Art on Ice, but they have only a couple free spots because Lambiel and Plushenko are always part of it.

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    2. Davis & White will win their 1st Olympic Gold, then win their 3rd World title, and then turn pro.
    LOL!
    They are a good team but not good enough for Olympic Gold. Also am I the only one who noticed a pattern? V/M seem to do better in years that end with an even number. For example in 2009 D/W beat V/M at 4cc and at GPF but in 2010 V/M beat D/W twice (Olympics Worlds) in 2011 (an odd number year) D/W beat V/M twice again (Worlds GPF) whereas in 2012 V/M beat D/W twice (4cc and Worlds). Excluding GPF, (which I think V/M keep on losing because they missed 2 GP seasons that is why D/W have more points than V/M they have done more grand prix competitions I think) D/W beat V/M twice in 2013. The seasons D/W beat V/M was because they were doing something different (PF, Latin, Carmen) that challenged them and possibly aggravated Tessa's injury. So what they need for the Olympics is a program similar to Mahler where they have to choreograph around Tessa's injury.
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    You really think Chan's not going to win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceIceBaby View Post
    But it's only a couple of weeks in a year. And there isn't many opportunities for European skaters, only Art on Ice, but they have only a couple free spots because Lambiel and Plushenko are always part of it.
    Plushenko hasn't skated in 'Art on ice' for the last two years (except 'Opera on Ice' last year), although that was because of his health problems. He may skate there a couple of times after retiring from competition, but he said that he doesn't really like touring and performing in shows - he gets bored. He is more likely to get busy with training and trying to build his skating school. Volosozhar/Trankov and Savchenko/Szolkowy are the ones who are a lock for at least some years to come, as 'Art on Ice' is their agency (the same as for Lambiel and Sarah Meier - but it has been said that next year she will skate in 'Art on Ice' for the last time).

    It's true that there are no that many opportunities for professional skaters - even the ones from Europe (except Russia), unless 'Art on Ice' is their agency. All of his talent and titles wouldn't help Lambiel if he was not Swiss and, therefore, the main star of 'Art on ice'. The fact that he is loved in Japan, Korea and Italy is just a bonus. He is loved in Russia too, but he can perform there two to three times in a year at best, and sometimes less, as they have their own skaters, and foreign skaters like Lambiel are too expensive (or so Averbukh says).

    It seems that there are some small local shows in USA outside of 'Stars on Ice', but I doubt that they bring huge profit, or that the bigger stars would even want to skate in such shows regularly. As for Japan, yes, there are quite many shows, but I suspect that not quite as many as it could seem. Or those too are small local shows that I haven't heard about. Anyway, the only professional that I have heard of who is regularly performing is Shizuka Arakawa. Other professionals like Honda and probably someone else have much fewer appearances.

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    Plushenko has also talked about reviving Kings on Ice after his retirement - but again, that's not going to help the Americans much, unless he takes a liking to one of them.

    At the moment, sad as it is, the best bet for any American skater to make some good money in shows is to get popular in Japan.

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    There are a few made-for-TV ice shows mostly focused around the holidays (Halloween through Christmas) but these are one-shot deals that probably don't pay much. To get those gigs, it helps if a skater has a World medal or a US Championship. Without one or both of those, a skater like Caroline Zhang probably isn't going to get any offers for the TV events. Maybe she could get a job on a cruise ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parapluies View Post
    LOL!
    Excluding GPF, (which I think V/M keep on losing because they missed 2 GP seasons that is why D/W have more points than V/M they have done more grand prix competitions I think) D/W beat V/M twice in 2013.
    The reason V/M haven't won the GPF has nothing to do with the number of GP competitions the teams have skated. The GPF is a head-to-head competition, and V/M have never beaten D/W at it. Anyway, each time V/M have been in the GPF it was because they had won both GP events that year, and that is the same case for D/W.

    So in the 2012-2013 season, D/W beat V/M three times out of three head-to-head competitions.

    The seasons D/W beat V/M was because they were doing something different (PF, Latin, Carmen) that challenged them and possibly aggravated Tessa's injury. So what they need for the Olympics is a program similar to Mahler where they have to choreograph around Tessa's injury.
    That may have worked then, but that doesn't account for the improvement in D/W's skating since 2010. It used to be that V/M always got higher PCS scores than D/W. This past season, D/W have won the PCS scores 3 times out of 3.

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    I took "going pro" to mean leaving competitive skating, not necessarily going into a full time show skating career. Not all skaters even want to do shows, at least not as their main occupation or for a lengthy period of time. I don't think Takahashi and Joubert are planning to do show skating for an extended amount of time.

    As for the predictions in the OP, they are way too specific and not surprising enough. This isn't the NCAA tournament, but you still need to allow for the occasional upset special.

    "D/W will win their first Olympic gold" implies that they will go on to win more Olympic golds. I find this unlikely.

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    LOL!
    They are a good team but not good enough for Olympic Gold. Also am I the only one who noticed a pattern? V/M seem to do better in years that end with an even number. For example in 2009 D/W beat V/M at 4cc and at GPF but in 2010 V/M beat D/W twice (Olympics Worlds) in 2011 (an odd number year) D/W beat V/M twice again (Worlds GPF) whereas in 2012 V/M beat D/W twice (4cc and Worlds). Excluding GPF, (which I think V/M keep on losing because they missed 2 GP seasons that is why D/W have more points than V/M they have done more grand prix competitions I think) D/W beat V/M twice in 2013. The seasons D/W beat V/M was because they were doing something different (PF, Latin, Carmen) that challenged them and possibly aggravated Tessa's injury. So what they need for the Olympics is a program similar to Mahler where they have to choreograph around Tessa's injury.
    They're good enough to beat the reigning OGM, quite handedly when V/M have said they're 100% healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitneyskates View Post
    They're good enough to beat the reigning OGM, quite handedly when V/M have said they're 100% healthy.
    V/M never admit to having medical issues. You only find out about those afterward; they've been known to be less than truthful at times in stating that Tessa is fully healthy.

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    I believe I'll wait awhile before I even attempt to guess about predictions for 2013 - 2014 since my predictions for this year's Worlds ended up sort of "goofy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by wristflick View Post
    These are 20 things I have a feeling will happen next season.

    1. Yu Na Kim will win her 2nd Olympic Gold, then retire again, only to return sometime in the next quad, possibly winning her 3rd pre Olympic Worlds and 3rd Olympics in the process, her usual pattern.
    Agree. Yu-Na Mao ROUND 3!
    2. Davis & White will win their 1st Olympic Gold, then win their 3rd World title, and then turn pro.
    Agree. not sure about world title
    3. Virtue & Moir will win their 1st Olympic Silver, skip Worlds, and turn pro.
    Disagree. I think they will go to World for revenge.
    4. Akiko Suzuki will win the Olympic bronze, then win the World title on home ice, then turn pro.
    Disagree. It will be Yu-Na. Mao. Carolina.
    5. Miki Ando will attempt a comeback and place 3rd or 4th at Nationals, which will be insufficient to make the team.
    Don't think Miki will come back. She already has 2 world titles
    6. Evan Lysacek will attempt a comeback and place 3rd or 4th at Nationals, which will be insufficient to make the team.
    It will probable be more like 6th.
    7. Evgeny Plushenko will skate at a final Olympics, place between 5th to 9th, then retire for good.
    He'll probably skate clean, place like 4th (while the medalists falter), and then whine to the media about a judging scandal.
    8. Voloszhar & Trankov will win their 1st Olympic Gold, win their 2nd straight Worlds, then go back on their original thoughts and continue awhile longer.
    Agree
    9. Savchenko & Szolkowy will win their 2nd straight Olympic bronze, and then retire, without even going to the post Olympic Worlds.
    I hope they will win gold, but in all likelihood. They wont. Agree.
    10. Team Canada will win an impressive 4 medals at the Games, but only 1 gold, in the Team Event.
    Agree
    11. Ashley Wagner will surprise most people by retaining her U.S title over Gracie Gold. She will win the bronze at the post Olympic Worlds, then go pro.
    I think she will win US title. But she won't win a medal post-olympics. It will probably be. Mao, Akiko, Carolina.
    12. Christina Gao will finally make the Olympic and World team, and perform admirably at both, and continue with the sport post Sochi.
    It depends on what you mean by admirable.
    13. Chan will place from 3rd to 5th at the Olympics, then go pro before the Worlds.
    Yes.
    14. Takahashi will place from 5th to 9th at his final Olympics, then go pro.
    Agree
    15. Brian Joubert will place from 5th to 9th at his final Olympics, then go pro.
    No, more like 10th.
    16. Carolina Kostner will win the Olympic silver, then go pro after the season.
    Bronze
    17. Javier Fernandez will win the Olympic Gold.
    Agree
    18. Alissa Czisny will make a final comeback, placing 5th to 7th at Nationals, then go pro.
    Disagree. She will be like Michelle Kwan. Tell us she's coming back, only to pull out of Nationals at the last minute.
    19. Caroline Zhang will skate at her final Nationals, placing outside the top 10, then go pro.
    No, she'll probable place 6-8th(after other skaters bomb), then win a medal at 4CC's.
    20. Kevin Reynolds will medal at the post Olympic Worlds.
    No, Hanyu will finally get his stamina together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euterpe View Post
    The reason V/M haven't won the GPF has nothing to do with the number of GP competitions the teams have skated. The GPF is a head-to-head competition, and V/M have never beaten D/W at it. Anyway, each time V/M have been in the GPF it was because they had won both GP events that year, and that is the same case for D/W.

    So in the 2012-2013 season, D/W beat V/M three times out of three head-to-head competitions.



    That may have worked then, but that doesn't account for the improvement in D/W's skating since 2010. It used to be that V/M always got higher PCS scores than D/W. This past season, D/W have won the PCS scores 3 times out of 3.
    Imo D/W haven't really improved much. The only thing they have improved is there consistency and that is because they recycle a lot of elements. Their technique, lines, posture, connection, etc. is still pretty much the same. They always rush into their lifts and that makes everything look sloppy and they skate so far apart. For example, if you compare V/M'S curve lift to D/W you can see Charlie wobble whereas Scott is steady. If you look at what they do closely, you can see that they are not as good as everyone and the USFS says they are. They were much more better to watch in 2010. Now I feel that they have gone stale.
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    Mao is overrated in this thread. I think her Worlds medal this year will be her last World or Olympic medals of any kind. She is going downhill and unless she repeats her 4CCs level which was an aberration for her these days the judges will start dumping her with so many people coming up behind her. As for Worlds after the Olympics if Kim doesnt go, Kostner is winning that probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitneyskates View Post
    They're good enough to beat the reigning OGM, quite handedly when V/M have said they're 100% healthy.
    if fs wasnt corrupt and the judging system wasn't as flawed as it is now this wouldn;t have happened. if d/w win olympic gold they can thank their federation and igor for their medal.

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    if fs wasnt corrupt and the judging system wasn't as flawed as it is now this wouldn;t have happened. if d/w win olympic gold they can thank their federation and igor for their medal.

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