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    What does this have to do with anything? I'm simply expressing my opinion about this particular program. Is that not allowed? Are you a mind Nazzi or something? Should everyone praize your favourite? You know insecurity has its reasons, just saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    Just out of curiosity, do you make the same complaint with Patrick Chan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apple123 View Post
    What does this have to do with anything? I'm simply expressing my opinion about this particular program. Is that not allowed? Are you a mind Nazzi or something? Should everyone praize your favourite? You know insecurity has its reasons, just saying.
    I'm not sure my honest question warranted your aggressive reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apple123 View Post
    What does this have to do with anything? I'm simply expressing my opinion about this particular program. Is that not allowed? Are you a mind Nazzi or something? Should everyone praize your favourite? You know insecurity has its reasons, just saying.
    Wow, bringing up Nazis (misspelled) and "just saying" in the same post - I actually agreed with parts of your previous post, but this one is rude and obnoxious.

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    A lot of people are rude and obnoxious.... not the least being misskarne in other posts.
    Now I am just saying......

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    I'm not sure my honest question warranted your aggressive reply.
    A pot calling a kettle black miskarne ... Your reaction to apple123's first comment was equally aggressive don't you think so? No?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    A pot calling a kettle black miskarne ... Your reaction to apple123's first comment was equally aggressive don't you think so? No?
    Er, my reply to apple123's first comment was this:

    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    Just out of curiosity, do you make the same complaint with Patrick Chan?
    Which I'm not quite sure could ever be classed as aggressive. It was an honest question.

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    I suspect there is a very strong relationship between one's perception of Patrick Chan and one's perception of misskarne's post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemgirl View Post
    I suspect there is a very strong relationship between one's perception of Patrick Chan and one's perception of misskarne's post
    On the contrary, I am amused by misskarne's sensivity towards any mere comment which does not spell love towards her favourite skaters, and yet she constantly call other skaters' names. At least apple123 didn't call Jason's choreography kitchen sink or zombie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    On the contrary, I am amused by misskarne's sensivity towards any mere comment which does not spell love towards her favourite skaters, and yet she constantly call other skaters' names. At least apple123 didn't call Jason's choreography kitchen sink or zombie.
    Are you not familiar with the phrase, "everything including the kitchen sink"? That is what I used to describe Chan's choreography as I feel he puts in every single transition possible (whether or not it matches the music). Thus, his choreography includes the kitchen sink.

    And who did I call a zombie?

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    Imagine my surprise when I came to the last page of the thread to be updated on program music/choreographer news. Just sayin.

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    That is what I used to describe Chan's choreography as I feel he puts in every single transition possible (whether or not it matches the music).
    I'm guessing that Nichol, Buttle and Wilson are some of the most sought after choreographers in figure skating for their ability to pack their programs with meaningless and purposeless transitions that don't match the music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    On the contrary, I am amused by misskarne's sensivity towards any mere comment which does not spell love towards her favourite skaters, and yet she constantly call other skaters' names.
    I am not sure how exactly this is contrary to what I wrote.

    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    I'm guessing that Nichol, Buttle and Wilson are some of the most sought after choreographers in figure skating for their ability to pack their programs with meaningless and purposeless transitions that don't match the music.
    I'd like to answer this seriously even though it wasn't meant as such At their best, Nichol and Wilson are capable of fantastic work - e.g. Nichol's programs for Kostner, or the beautiful SP Wilson did for Dai a couple of years ago. But they choreograph for many clients of varying skill and talent, and sometimes their work is a more by the numbers (to put it diplomatically).

    Buttle's body of work so far as a choreographer isn't nearly as extensive, but I like what I've seen from him. I think that as a skater too, he knew how to fit the transitions and the display of skill with the music, and it seems to be carrying into his work as a choreographer.

    BTW, which of them is doing the choreo for Chan's new FS?

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    Excessive transitions might be a reason that chan is prone to falling.

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    Chan falls on his jumps. He isn't doing any transitions in mid-air.

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    It's harder to go clean when you packed a program with a lot of transitions. It takes the wind out of you. It's the same reason most skaters don't spin before doing a quad jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    Chan falls on his jumps. He isn't doing any transitions in mid-air.
    Transitions usually precede his jumps though, making them more difficult to land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemgirl View Post
    BTW, which of them is doing the choreo for Chan's new FS?
    Wilson

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    Just out of curiosity, do you make the same complaint with Patrick Chan?
    What does this discussion on Jason Brown have to do with Patrick Chan? Chan never sacrifised his speed for anything including transitions.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    Are you not familiar with the phrase, "everything including the kitchen sink"? That is what I used to describe Chan's choreography as I feel he puts in every single transition possible (whether or not it matches the music). Thus, his choreography includes the kitchen sink.

    And who did I call a zombie?
    It is the "kitchen sink" choreographers who are most sought out by the skaters and praised by the judges. So who cares if you don't like those "kitchen sink", "mismatched" choreography?

    By the way, Takahashi was eager and might be at last to have the world biggest "kitchen sink" choreography this coming season. In the meantime, Chan will still keep the same "kitchen sink" choreographers from last year.
    Last edited by Eyre; 07-05-2013 at 06:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemgirl View Post
    I suspect there is a very strong relationship between one's perception of Patrick Chan and one's perception of misskarne's post
    Some of the fans of Chan might be having a lot of trouble to accept criticism with respect to Chan's musicality coming from supporters of some other skaters who aren't exactly famous for their artistic skills. Such as those pushing for Max Aaron over Jeremy Abbott. Just sayin'. lol

    At their best, Nichol and Wilson are capable of fantastic work - e.g. Nichol's programs for Kostner, or the beautiful SP Wilson did for Dai a couple of years ago. But they choreograph for many clients of varying skill and talent, and sometimes their work is a more by the numbers (to put it diplomatically).
    When you have to deliver 10 to 15 choreographies per season and have deadlines to meet, your work being a more by the numbers is sometimes inevitable, I suppose.

    Buttle's body of work so far as a choreographer isn't nearly as extensive, but I like what I've seen from him. I think that as a skater too, he knew how to fit the transitions and the display of skill with the music, and it seems to be carrying into his work as a choreographer.
    I saw Buttle in some photos at Alexei Mishin's training camp, teaching Mishin's students how to skate. Who would have thought a few years back that something like this would happen one day?

    But going back to Jason Brown, I'll be curious to see how he will reconcile speed and power with variety and difficulty of transitions as well as consistency on the jumps. Especially when he starts doing quadruple jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leigh466
    Imagine my surprise when I came to the last page of the thread to be updated on program music/choreographer news. Just sayin.
    Same here. Maybe this is supossed to tell us that some skater is going to skate to "The Bickering Blues" by The Victims Of Boredom, or something like that. (Would be god awful Music, I guess )

    Hopefully we'll be getting some news soon (and Hanyu, I mean you with that!).

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