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    Quote Originally Posted by AragornElessar View Post
    It's so much easier when you're watching from home and haven't a clue about how Broadcast Journalism works, isn't it? [snip]
    Just as I know you and others will bitch about how the Media gets it wrong during theses things over and over and over as well. As I said, it's oh so easy to be perfect when you're watching at home.
    Those were really unnecessary comments. I can tell from the posts here that there are a number of posters who have a very good idea of how broadcast journalism works, and recognize the problems that happen with live coverage. And there is nothing wrong with criticizing mistakes in live coverage - the networks and their staff want to get it right as much as anyone else does, and if there is a rush to judgement without adequate facts, that should be pointed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AragornElessar View Post

    Once again, it's *live* and mistakes happen.
    Reporting something that wasn't confirmed by the authorities is not a mistake. And it's entirely avoidable through a) not reporting it until it's confirmed, b) double checking and c) how the news are phrased. A good example, I guess, is that one channel, I cannot remember which one, was reporting that there was a suspect in custody about an hour or so after the news was broken that the authorities were questioning a student in a hospital. I doubt that was a mistake made because it was live coverage since I heard it on only that one channel.

    One unfortunate development that I've noticed with the media these days is that they prefer to be sensational and the first to report something and having the best headline over responsible journalism and everything that goes with it. Not every news station/newspaper at the same amount of course but generally, that's the impression they're giving me personally.

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    Everett, Washington article titled "Lake Stevens runner just feet from blast in Boston": http://www.heraldnet.com/article/201...WS01/704159868
    [Bill] Iffrig, 78, was running in his third Boston Marathon. He came out of the incident with little more than a scrape on his knee.

    "Just the shock from the blast was the only damage," he said from his hotel room.

    A now widely-seen video of the race captured the blast and Iffrig, wearing bib number 19200 over an orange tank top, crumpling from the shockwaves. Video and photos showed him lying on the ground surrounded by police and race officials.

    Most of the runners were on the other side of the road at the time of the blast, so Iffrig was the only one who went down, he said.

    "A lot of them just kept on going," said Iffrig, a retired mason worker.

    Iffrig briefly saw a remnant of what he believes was the bomb, a casing that looked like a coffee can, he said.

    "Then all this smoke was coming from someplace, and I wasn't able to see too much."

    A race official came to check on him and helped him up.

    Then, accompanied by the official, Iffrig walked the last 12 feet or so across the finish line.

    "I ended up second in my division," he said. "After you've run 26 miles you're not going to stop there." His timing chip marked his finish at 4 hours, 3 minutes, 47 seconds.
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    Watching the late repeat of The Rachel Maddow Show...she's reciting the details of bombings in the US since 1993 (i.e. 1st World Trade Center attack)...just reminded me that I was living in Boston when I turned on the TV in 1995 and saw the report of the Oklahoma City bombing!

    Was shocked at the news in 1995...am just as shocked in 2013.

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    Al Jazeera (English version) showed a press conference with I think the Chief of Police in Boston -- definitely a higher up in the PD -- who said that while they were talking to some people, they didn't have a suspect, and certainly not one in Brigham and Women's Hospital. He asked the media not to pass on the incorrect reports.

    They also interviewed a surgeon who went to the race as a spectator and who provided medical help at the scene. He said that it was like an IED in Afganistan. He saw one man whose legs were blown off and another whose foot was. He also described a parent holding a child, who was "expired."
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    Just found out from my dad that the 8 year old that died was his neighbor's son. And his neighbor's wife and daughter (same family) are undergoing surgery.

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    (((Boston and all those affected))) Just awful news
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    ^ Oh, my. That's horrible. My thoughts & prayers are with Boston. May whomever did this despicable act be caught, and & may justice be done!

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    A "mystery man" was seen watching the explosions from a rooftop.

    http://www.inquisitr.com/620654/myst...on-explosions/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    Careful what you click on. I clicked on a photo on one site, and it enlarged exposing the full frame including what was left of a man's lower leg. It was something I didn't really want to see. There is a warning on it now, but why do they post those photos at all.
    The best answer I can give you is from my friend Steve who survived the North Tower of the WTC. He was upset that the media removed the more gruesome pictures of the 9/11 attack. Why? Because he said we always see pictures of the happy and good sides of life. People should also see the opposite when pure evil runs amuck and the consequences there of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonfan View Post
    Just found out from my dad that the 8 year old that died was his neighbor's son. And his neighbor's wife and daughter (same family) are undergoing surgery.
    I was reading the most recent updates on boston.com, and found this post from a staffer from that site:

    The 8-year-old boy who was killed in one of today's Boylston Street explosions lived in the Ashmont section of Dorchester, the Globe is reporting. The boy, Martin Richard, was the son of William and Denise Richard of Carruth Street in Dorchester. William, a community activist, reportedly ran the Marathon while his family waited for him at the finish line. His wife and daughter are in the hospital with grievous injuries; another daughter was unharmed. ~~ by Teresa Hanafin, Boston.com 1:03 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    Careful what you click on. I clicked on a photo on one site, and it enlarged exposing the full frame including what was left of a man's lower leg. It was something I didn't really want to see. There is a warning on it now, but why do they post those photos at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by FGRSK8 View Post
    The best answer I can give you is from my friend Steve who survived the North Tower of the WTC. He was upset that the media removed the more gruesome pictures of the 9/11 attack. Why? Because he said we always see pictures of the happy and good sides of life. People should also see the opposite when pure evil runs amuck and the consequences there of.
    I have to say that I'm in agreement with your friend, FGRSK8.

    One of the biggest hypocrisies WRT to the public is that they often complain about reports from the media (which includes print and video journalism) not covering events in depth and with full disclosure, yet they turn right around and raise hell about witness accounts, video footage, and photographs being "too graphic" to be shown on-air/in print .

    Many/Most journalists (especially photographers), including one that I know, would prefer to be able to air/print the scenes as they actually were, but their hands are tied WRT the "decency filters" that disallow that from happening. She spent almost three weeks doing photography from Ground Zero for one of the major news outlets, and I was told that what made it to print didn't come close to scratching the surface as to just how horrific the scene truly was. IIRC, the term she used for it was the "Disneyfication of 9/11." Needless to say, it was clearly meant in the pejorative sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FGRSK8 View Post
    The best answer I can give you is from my friend Steve who survived the North Tower of the WTC. He was upset that the media removed the more gruesome pictures of the 9/11 attack. Why? Because he said we always see pictures of the happy and good sides of life. People should also see the opposite when pure evil runs amuck and the consequences there of.
    It seems to me as though most of what's covered in the media is bad news, not good. The only times I can think of where a news cycle is dominated by good news are for things like presidential inaugurations, the new year, Olympic opening ceremonies and a few very specific stories (e.g. the Chilean miner rescue).

    In addition, it is possible to show pictures of tragic and horrific events without emphasizing the most gruesome aspects. Perhaps the most famous image from the Holocaust, for instance, is the boy with his hands in the air, a horrible and powerful image even though it is nowhere near as graphic as many others. The picture of the firefighter carrying out the dying baby in the Oklahoma City bombing is not a closeup, not did it need to be to have the impact that it did. IIRC, in the documentary that the Naudet brothers shot on 9/11, you don't see people jumping to their deaths, but you hear the sound of the impact; it's awful enough like that, because you realize what it is that you're hearing. Some things don't need to be shown in graphic detail, at least not without warning.

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    I could be way off but given the time of year and choice of event, I am betting the perpetrators were domestic, McVeigh types.
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    I am okay with not showing gruesome pics on tv because it is hard enough to get people to watch any news at all, and that would put enough people off from tuning in. But I think all of it should be made available on line.

    Eta - there was a lot of white washing of 9/11 - I spent a couple of hours going through some of the stuff that didn't make mainstream news on the anniversary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PRlady View Post
    I could be way off but given the time of year and choice of event, I am betting the perpetrators were domestic, McVeigh types.
    The event choice is odd but my spy theory is that perhaps they were going after a specific target.
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    More about the 8 year-old killed yesterday from CNN:

    Terror's Tiny Victim (title taken from CNN's Home Page)

    From the article:

    [He] was at the event to watch his father race, according to TV station WHDH.

    [Martin] Richard's mother and 6-year-old sister were recovering in a hospital after suffering serious injuries, the TV station reported. It said the boy's mother underwent surgery for an injury to her brain and his sister lost a leg in the explosion.
    I have read from other reports that his other sister (not sure if she is older or younger) was unharmed in the attack.

    It is hard to fathom what his father and sister (and other family members) must be going through right now. Prayers to the Richard family (and to all of those who have been devastated by this act of terrorism) .

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    A cowardly act for sure. I hope they get whoever is responsible.
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    I think people were plenty aware of how horrible 9/11 was without looking at graphic pictures. I think that people can understand a disaster without needing to see blood and gore. And contrary to there not being enough of that in the media, I think more than a few people descend to a perverse voyeurism and what has been termed "disaster pornography."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PRlady View Post
    I could be way off but given the time of year and choice of event, I am betting the perpetrators were domestic, McVeigh types.
    Quote Originally Posted by snoopy View Post
    The event choice is odd but my spy theory is that perhaps they were going after a specific target.
    I'll put in a bid for al qaeda inspired terrorism. sorry, I really hope its not.
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