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    Thanks for sharing the videos, orbitz. Rosaland's White Christmas program was quite impressive. I also agree about her program from 83 Nationals. The last part of that program was amazing.
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    Pro competitions were fixed and everyone knows it. That is why only skaters who truly owned with undeniable performances like Yamaguchi, Boitano, Browning, Sato, Biellmann, or made an impact through a combination of spectacular and stylish skating and legitimately strong competitive pro results like Wylie, Kadavy, Cousins, or those who had excellent pro careers as show skaters, do I give any credence to their pro careers. In the 85-88 pro quad Hamill was guaranteed to win the womens event, even though she was the only one doing nothing harder than a double flip or double loop anymore (Sumners was atleast doing double axels frequently), and then the 89-92 quad Thomas was guaranteed to win every event even though Biellmann and sometimes Sumners outskated her frequently. Thomas I liked alot but she was never the best pro skater, and probably didnt deserve a single of her World Pro titles if they were scored on merit. The only time Thomas ever impressed me much as a pro was her last event, the Coke Challenge or something, where she skated one of the most beautiful programs I ever saw her skate and should have won the event over Witt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    The only time Thomas ever impressed me much as a pro was her last event, the Coke Challenge or something, where she skated one of the most beautiful programs I ever saw her skate and should have won the event over Witt.
    The 1992 Diet Coke Championships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Pro competitions were fixed and everyone knows it. That is why only skaters who truly owned with undeniable performances like Yamaguchi, Boitano, Browning, Sato, Biellmann, or made an impact through a combination of spectacular and stylish skating and legitimately strong competitive pro results like Wylie, Kadavy, Cousins, or those who had excellent pro careers as show skaters, do I give any credence to their pro careers. In the 85-88 pro quad Hamill was guaranteed to win the womens event, even though she was the only one doing nothing harder than a double flip or double loop anymore (Sumners was atleast doing double axels frequently), and then the 89-92 quad Thomas was guaranteed to win every event even though Biellmann and sometimes Sumners outskated her frequently. Thomas I liked alot but she was never the best pro skater, and probably didnt deserve a single of her World Pro titles if they were scored on merit. The only time Thomas ever impressed me much as a pro was her last event, the Coke Challenge or something, where she skated one of the most beautiful programs I ever saw her skate and should have won the event over Witt.
    Roslyn did beat Thomas at one of Thomas's first pro competitions when she skated to Spartacus and singled a double axel. I don't remember what Ros did but she beat Debbie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Pro competitions were fixed and everyone knows it. That is why only skaters who truly owned with undeniable performances like Yamaguchi, Boitano, Browning, Sato, Biellmann, or made an impact through a combination of spectacular and stylish skating and legitimately strong competitive pro results like Wylie, Kadavy, Cousins, or those who had excellent pro careers as show skaters, do I give any credence to their pro careers. In the 85-88 pro quad Hamill was guaranteed to win the womens event, even though she was the only one doing nothing harder than a double flip or double loop anymore (Sumners was atleast doing double axels frequently), and then the 89-92 quad Thomas was guaranteed to win every event even though Biellmann and sometimes Sumners outskated her frequently. Thomas I liked alot but she was never the best pro skater, and probably didnt deserve a single of her World Pro titles if they were scored on merit. The only time Thomas ever impressed me much as a pro was her last event, the Coke Challenge or something, where she skated one of the most beautiful programs I ever saw her skate and should have won the event over Witt.
    It's true that they were fixed, and yet we saw some of the best pro performances by many skaters (you mentioned most of them). Many of them were memorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Roslyn did beat Thomas at one of Thomas's first pro competitions when she skated to Spartacus and singled a double axel. I don't remember what Ros did but she beat Debbie.
    That was the Challenge of Champions in 1988. I dont remember all the performances though and the only one I could find on youtube was Denise Biellmann, the winner:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VANy2DIMSLg

    Denise won with a perfect 10 (10 10s) and Sumners and Thomas tied with a 98.0 (9.8 average) with Sumners taking 2nd due to the tiebreaker being the artistic mark where she was higher.

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    I don't believe all pro competitions were "fixed". Those competitions go back to the 70's and even earlier than that. I don't believe that competitions like the Worlds Professional Championships, Hersheys Kisses, Ice Wars were all fixed. That's too broad of a statement to just come out and say that pro competitions were fixed. It's like saying they were all fixed.
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    In later years, it's true that the judges didn't give such high scores in these competitions as they had earlier; but, "fixed" is a very strong word, IMO.

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    Thanks, skatesindreams. It's just how I observed that statement. "Fixed" is definitely a strong word.
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