Last edited by caseyedwards; 04-09-2013 at 10:49 PM.
Stojko said: How can you be Olympic champion when you don’t even try the quad? Considering that the quad is now worth more, and the last three World title winning skates have included multiple quads (even if there is no causal relationship between those two facts, as some have posited), it's hard to evaluate the accuracy of Stojko's comments. There are more quads done now, and people generally believe it will be impossible to win in Sochi without one. Perhaps Stojko was right that figure skating would have died off if the quad continued to be omitted from the winning men's programs. It's not really possible to say either way, because the sport changed.And look at how accurate that proclamation [from Elvis, that figure skating was dead] was, too.
Evans won the OGM in 2010. No one can change that fact but we can argue till kingdom come on whether we like or agree to that outcome. Different time, different competitors, different outcomes.
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Plushenko is over Vancouver. Can everyone - both his fans and his haters - please follow his example?
My two cents is simply that if Plushenko skated his LP the way he did at Euros he would have won. He had a lot more speed, attack, conviction at Euros, though he doubled the Lutz. By Vancouver he simply looked tired, and by the time he reached the straight-line steps (which were the climax of the program), he was out on his feet. That sequence needed a lot of fire and conviction to work, and by that point in Vancouver, he just didn't have the energy.
The author of the article brought up why plushenko lost in Vancouver. His reasoning was dumb and absurd. Lysacek LYSACEK unnerved plushenko and got into his head! That's so laughable as to rank among among the all time dumb explanations for any loss in sports ever! Did even yagudin ever get into his head? Few skaters are known for being more prepared mentally at a competition better than plushenko. He lost not because he all of a sudden became a headcase but because of other reasons one of which was entirely system oriented and it was changed.
I would agree that plushenko was more energetic at euros but the lutz doubling compared to no doubling of Anything at the Olympics showed that on jumps he was more mentally there at the Olympics then anywhere else that season and also physically was there too.
I always thought the opposite, actually. Plushenko was talking about possibly doing two quads. He skated last. IMO, when he saw that Lysacek, sans quad, was in the lead, he decided to go for only one, thinking surely it would be enough. If anything, he was overconfident, not unnerved.
If evan is in good health, he will do very well and can, perhaps, even win again without a quad, if we have a situation like the one that occurred at this year's Worlds.
Does a champion downgrade his technical content at the biggest event of his sport? Brian Orser did in Calgary, and if Plushenko did in Vancouver, it got him the same place as it got Orser: not being Olympic champion, at least in 2010.
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Last edited by Eyre; 04-10-2013 at 01:03 PM.
And the takahashi flip was at worlds but toe was at the Olympics. Near Zero Points on both For takahashi. Glad that's over!
Actually, if you look at the protocols from Calgary and adjust the point values to the current table (also switching the final fw seq to a Choreo seq), Lysacek's element score would be somewhere in the low-mid 80s, which is well up in the top 10 from 2013 Worlds. (I don't entirely understand the math involved in the factoring of combinations and the 1.1 jump distribution bonus, but I calculate about 82 points.)Evan's OGM-winning FS from 4 years ago has content that would make it hard for him to scrape into the top 10 at Worlds,
IMO the real question is not so much about what jumps he can add but whether the can even still skate his 2010 jump schedule.
I was thinking it would have made sense for the USFS to sent him to the team event so he can test himself in competition before next season.
Last edited by Susan M; 04-10-2013 at 10:04 PM.
As a fan of Evan who follows the news on him, the biggest surprise for me from this thread is that there is not a comment in the WP article about the "horror" of Evan being a "quadless" Olympic champion by caseyedwards, considering casey usually obsessively follows every article on Evan with the usual tired whine about his victory. You are SLIPPING, casey, get back in harness and get your righteous umbrage out there, dammit!!!!
And personally, I find it amusing to imagine how much valuable time casey and others (lala, ad nauseum) have wasted venting their spleen over Evan Lysacek, Olympic Champion (oooooh, I can imagine the stomach upset, teeth gnashing and rending of garments those 4 little words set off...Evan Lysacek, Olympic Champion...Evan Lysacek, Olympic Champion...)
"Once you've skated together long enough, and you're really good friends, you can close your eyes, put your hand out and she's right there." Joe Dolkiewicz, 2011 US Novice Pairs Bronze Medalist