If people are going to argue that Plushenko deserved the win, I wish they'd stop harping about how the quad was the single thing that should have given him the gold (and that Lysacek did 'all triples'). I do agree that it was extremely close, but I still think Lysacek had the nod.
As judge Patrick Ibens (who was on the mens SP panel in Vancouver) told me in an interview, if it was all just about a quadruple toe loop, then Adrian Schultheiss should have been the one filing all the complaints that night as he had the best one and didn't even make the top ten.
Another thing-- people always resort to Lysacek's triple Axels having a cheated (almost Salchow) entrance-- and it always drove me insane that he got full credit. I do think that he cleaned up the technique slightly before Vancouver.
However, Plushenko fans: watch Evgeny's Lutz, for example, in slo-mo. You're going to see even more of a pre-rotation.
I'm tired of getting into this argument about 2010 Olympics, but I have to say that I believe Plushenko was low balled in SP which has given Lysacek the edge for his unfortunate Olympic win.
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There's a problem saying lysacek did all triples? He did do all triples. The hardest thing he did was "3a"-2t. That was not acceptable at the previous three Olympics as something deserving of a win! Plush did do quad triples in both the sp and lp and they meant nothing in winning. Unlike the past three Olympics and 10 worlds from 1997 to 2007. Boitano did a much better all triple program in 1988 with two triple axels being the hardest jumps. Maybe Urmanov too from 1994. The whole quad era was irrelevent. All of a sudden it was 1988 again! 1988 standards of jumps? No that's ridiculous to accept. Now things are back to normal.
If schultheiss hadn't Doubled his second 3a attempt he would have made the top 10. The standard isn't Best quads or most quads the standard is who does everything. It's not a one jump contest or figure jumping. Plushenko did everything and he deserved to win and not something from 1988.
Lysacek is associated his name with quadless winner. If that's what he wants to come back to change, welcome him! But don't just enjoy talking about the comeback. It's really tiring to hear it over and over and over.
Last edited by Eyre; 04-09-2013 at 07:22 PM.
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Weir used the option this past season, and he's no longer eligible for it. The only thing he'd qualify for next season is a host pick, and good luck with that.
It applies to every skater who meets the criteria:
Was a seeded skater in the last ten years and then took off one or seasons since, agrees to the terms, and hasn't used the option before.
There's also the argument that ths even applies to skaters like Suguri (2006 silver medal), who met the criteria, but competed at Worlds after they did and placed lower than 6th, and then took more than one season off, however involuntary. The Federation has to be willing to submit the skater's name for GP consideration, though. You can see from the Worlds results list tat there are a number of skaters/teams from the past ten years who are eligible to take advantage of this, if they have federation support.
Last edited by kwanfan1818; 04-09-2013 at 07:56 PM.
In Vancouver, I was rooting for Kozuka, Takahashi, and Chan, and I appreciated Lambiel's choreography and footwork. I've never been a Lysacek fan, and if Plushenko hadn't been a shadow of himself speed and power-wise compared to the skater I saw regularly (live) until 2005, he would have walked away with the title, despite the empty program, one directional skating, and mediocre ice coverage aside from big jump set ups, but I have to hand it to Lysacek: he gave it 110% from the beginning to the end of the program, and he skated with authority. As it was, Plushenko's comeback attempt was epic.