View Poll Results: Best Ladies singles skater of the 2012/13 season (senior or junior)?

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  • Kim Yu-Na

    95 55.23%
  • Carolina Kostner

    22 12.79%
  • Mao Asada

    26 15.12%
  • Kanako Murakami

    1 0.58%
  • Ashley Wagner

    3 1.74%
  • Gracie Gold

    2 1.16%
  • Kaetlyn Osmond

    4 2.33%
  • Adelina Sotnikova

    2 1.16%
  • Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

    2 1.16%
  • Akiko Suzuki

    4 2.33%
  • Elena Radionova

    9 5.23%
  • Other

    2 1.16%
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtherlore View Post
    What did she exactly overcome, unfavorable scoring rule changes? Questionable edge calls? Controversial losses? Loss of motivation?
    Sorrow from her mother's death (last season) & jump struggles since 2010 Worlds.
    Of course, although changed rules give Mao benefits..
    Last edited by t.mann; 04-10-2013 at 01:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t.mann View Post
    Sorrow from her mother's death (last season) & jump struggles since 2010 Worlds.
    add a Monstrous layout, injury, regaining the 3A....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtherlore View Post
    What did she exactly overcome, unfavorable scoring rule changes? Questionable edge calls? Controversial losses? Loss of motivation?
    As was mentioned already above - the death of her mother, yes - loss of motivation (she reportedly did not practice for 2-3 months over the summer and considered quitting), injury, bringing back the hardest jump layout including 3A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t.mann View Post
    Sorrow from her mother's death (last season) & jump struggles since 2010 Worlds.
    Of course, although changed rules give Mao benefits..
    Quote Originally Posted by Amy03 View Post
    add a Monstrous layout, injury, regaining the 3A....
    Quote Originally Posted by babayaga View Post
    As was mentioned already above - the death of her mother, yes - loss of motivation (she reportedly did not practice for 2-3 months over the summer and considered quitting), injury, bringing back the hardest jump layout including 3A.
    I see.

    But there is a trade-off between her jump landing consistency (two-footed or not) and the quality/speed/impact of her overall skating. It seems to have been reflected on her PCS, which is falling behind Kostner’s. Long delivery time? Cautious approach? What do you guys think? Can it be considered an improvement, overall? After all, figure skating is a sport, and it's an Olympic sport.

    To my eyes, she’s noticeably more upright than before in air positions during her triples. That helps her keep standing on her feet after the jumps, but it comes at a sacrifice re: entering speed and running edge out of the jumps. It seems to me she’s been practicing to stay on feet, but not necessarily improve her jumps or skating.

    IIRC, her goals right after the Vancouver Games were: (1) to correct her jump techniques; and (2) to improve the speed/flow of her overall skating. Regarding (1), it seems there’s been little improvement: she’s still flutzing, her salchows are not clearly executed, and her 3f and even her 3lo and the doubles in combination should be < or <<. Regarding (2), I think she’s all but given up on that department in compromise for jump landing consistency.

    I won’t go further into her stagnant level as a performer, or her “balletic” posture or “ethereal” quality, which is so gushed over by some members valued by the admins of this forum.

    I agree though, she’s a fighter!!
    Last edited by lowtherlore; 04-10-2013 at 07:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtherlore View Post
    I see.

    But there is a trade-off between her jump landing consistency (two-footed or not) and the quality/speed/impact of her overall skating. It seems to have been reflected on her PCS, which is falling behind Kostner’s. Long delivery time? Cautious approach? What do you guys think? Can it be considered an improvement, overall? After all, figure skating is a sport, and it's an Olympic sport.

    To my eyes, she’s noticeably more upright than before in air positions during her triples. That helps her keep standing on her feet after the jumps, but it comes at a sacrifice re: entering speed and running edge out of the jumps. It seems to me she’s been practicing to stay on feet, but not necessarily improve her jumps or skating.

    IIRC, her goals right after the Vancouver Games were: (1) to correct her jump techniques; and (2) to improve the speed/flow of her overall skating. Regarding (1), it seems there’s been little improvement: she’s still flutzing, her salchows are not clearly executed, and her 3f and even her 3lo and the doubles in combination should be < or <<. Regarding (2), I think she’s all but given up on that department in compromise for jump landing consistency.

    I won’t go further into her stagnant level as a performer, or her “balletic” posture or “ethereal” quality, which is so gushed over by some members valued by the admins of this forum.

    I agree though, she’s a fighter!!

    First let me start of with your comment about Mao recently beeing more upright in her jumps, that simply is not correct. Her jumps have always had been upright (meaning having a perfect air position) wheter you look at her jumps in 2005 2008 or now. the ONLY exception that could be made is her 3A that early in her career sometimes leaned a bit sideway.

    Secondly you say " she practiced to stay on her feet" well Mao has always been good at staying on her feet, and the low rate of falls she has had during her career perfectly showcase that, so that is not a new observation if one has followed her career.

    then you talk about Mao's goal and the work she put in reworking her jumps, and improving her speed and how there is no a visible improvement? look closely at her jumps now and compare them with her jumps in 2010 in early on and you will notice that her technique on several jumps has dramatically changed, those jumps are the 3A, 3f, 3s and even the 3lz if you compare it too the 3lz she was doing in 2008 you will notice that it's completely different. her increased speed is also evident in her skating, just look at how she covers the whole rink and how many times she goes from one side to the other side of the rink during her program!

    then you claim that Mao's salcow is not clearly executed but take one look in the protocol and you will see that Mao is one if the skaters who receive the highest grade of execution on that particular jump. as for your comment to the 3lo I will just ignore it, since Mao has one of the best 3lo in the business.

    calling a classical skater who has balletic qualities, gourges airposition, line, flexibility, smoothnes and a skater who truly feels the music.. for a stagnated performer I can only recommend you to go watch a techno/ bieber program that would probably suit you taste more!
    Last edited by Amy03; 04-10-2013 at 08:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amy03 View Post
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    calling a classical skater who has balletic qualities, gourges airposition, line, flexibility, smoothnes and a skater who truly feels the music.. for a stagnated performer I can only recommend you to go watch a techno/ bieber program that would probably suit you taste more!
    Get outta here! I can live with my taste and I bet mine’s finer than yours.

    I thought the Kween and the Queen ubers are the most intolerant to criticism, as often told in this forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtherlore View Post
    Get outta here! I can live with my taste and I bet mine’s finer than yours.

    I thought the Kween and the Queen ubers are the most intolerant to criticism, as often told in this forum!
    listen clearly, YOU were the one who quotet my post and asked for my and some other posters view, which I only responded too and gave, but if you don't want people to respond to your comments then don't quote and ask them too

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    Yuna has shown that she remains the best and is far above all other competitors, but Adelina (new generation) today has shown that she has the whole package!
    Great season for all the ladies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtherlore View Post

    IIRC, her goals right after the Vancouver Games were: (1) to correct her jump techniques; and (2) to improve the speed/flow of her overall skating. Regarding (1), it seems there’s been little improvement: she’s still flutzing, her salchows are not clearly executed, and her 3f and even her 3lo and the doubles in combination should be < or <<. Regarding (2), I think she’s all but given up on that department in compromise for jump landing consistency.

    I won’t go further into her stagnant level as a performer, or her “balletic” posture or “ethereal” quality, which is so gushed over by some members valued by the admins of this forum.
    No, I don't think she has been practicing staying upright. It seems to be quite the opposite - coach Sato said several times they are working on increasing the entry speed into the jumps, but during competitions she seems to be too cautious. I don't think you are objective in your assessment at all - her salchow has become quite consistent this season like never before, her 2A-3T has been the best it has ever been, she stopped underrotating the toe - that was the problem for her with this combo even last season. Her lutz is still a flutz, yes, but it became a very reliable jump for her that she never underrotates anymore too. Finally, she learned a new 3A technique, which allows her to rotate it a lot better than before. All of these I find very noticeable improvements. And Mao's loop is very nice, I fail to see how it should be <<, that comment is a mystery to me.

    And to support my conclusions - she just got her PB score in LP this past world championship with several mistakes. She still had enough content planned to get a very high score. Half of those things Mao was unable to perform 2-3 years ago.

    And finally, I really don't understand the point of putting balletic posture and ethereal quality in quotation marks if you really would like to have a decent discussion and not just pretending. She does have beautiful posture and balletic lines and some people appreciate them, I am sorry it annoys you.

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