View Poll Results: Which 2 U.S men will make Olympic team

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  • Aaron

    86 74.14%
  • Miner

    9 7.76%
  • Dornbush

    18 15.52%
  • Miner

    6 5.17%
  • Lysacek

    30 25.86%
  • Abbott

    45 38.79%
  • Farris

    25 21.55%
  • Brown

    8 6.90%
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    Which 2 U.S men will make it to Sochi

    At this point who would be your picks for the 2 U.S mens spots for the Sochi Olympics. I would guess Aaron will be one. I think if he mantains his current consistency and jumping there is no way he will be denied a spot. The other is alot tricker and it is possible any of Abbott, Lysacek, Dornbush, Miner, Rippon, Farris, Brown, could factor into that.

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    Sorry I put Miner twice. Could a moderator replace the 2nd one with Rippon. If not just vote for the 2nd Miner 4th from the top if you mean Rippon.

    I almost voted for Aaron and Miner, but changed to Aaron and Abbott at the last second. I know alot will write Miner off after his Worlds and 4CCs result, but I think he is a fighter and he is very consistent most of the time which most U.S men currently arent. I have a feeling the USFSA would most want it to be Dornbush or Abbott, but I am not sure how either will skate at Nationals, but I have a feeling Abbott will skate well enough for 1 of the 2 spots (either winning or being 2nd at Nationals) for some reason. I dont think Evan will even show, and I dont think he will be much of a factor even if he does.
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    Ha ha, way too early for this poll. BTW, Miner is listed twice, so do you mean this season's version of Ross, vs a Kwan-like, and quad-confident transformed version of Ross?

    This poll will just be a measure of people's preferences and likely based on who we wish would make the Sochi team. For this year's Worlds, I always thought it would be important for the U.S. to send one veteran and one up-and-comer as the best hopes for trying to gain 3 spots. In the end, it always seems to be a crap shoot, thus Max Aaron's breakthrough and Abbott's fall on an uncertain quad (in view of his inability to train it this season) plus his doubling too many triples overthrew the apple cart. Ross was prepared with great programs but he was still trying to get comfortable with his quad, and 4CC hurt his confidence. Ross' usual steadiness I feel was thrown off a bit by tentativeness on the quad, and mentally perhaps over-thinking re the pressure involved.

    For different U.S. guys to be going to Worlds every year, the younger guys are not having the opportunity to develop their skills and confidence internationally. Same goes for the ISU judges not getting to fully know U.S. guys and their abilities. Therefore, trying to make a judgement now will just be a guessing game/ preference game, as usual.

    Since the poll is up for a year, likely most people will come back to it in January 2014.

    I'm not voting now, but if Evan actually has quads and is in good form, it might be him and Max Aaron (but that's not my preference). Max will likely need to show stylistic improvement along with probably having another quad in his arsenal. Personally, I really can't see Evan being ready with consistent quads, and he doesn't actually have great artistry either, but maybe the judges will be looking more for quads and reliability, rather than quads and artistry.

    I think Farris and Brown will be on tap for 2018. If Richard is able to step it up consistently, I could see it being Richard and Max for Sochi. I haven't heard that Johnny Weir is not going to try to come back again, so perhaps you meant to include his name instead of a second Miner? Likely Johnny has just as much chance to be on point with quads as does Evan, which is to say not the best odds.

    Who knows re Jeremy Abbott. He so should have been at Worlds the last three years (but he lost out by not stepping up in crucial moments). At this point, if Jeremy attains physical and mental strength, he is obviously still a factor, and I think of the veteran's, he's the strongest possibility to make it.

    Of the younger guys, I think Max, Richard, and Adam are likely the strongest contenders, with Ross at least for now, a dark horse. Adam will need to have a strong quad however, because if Ross' quad is more secure, that may be a trump card. Again, I can see Farris and Brown placing well at Nationals, but a lot will depend upon Josh having a strong quad and developing his stylistic identity, and doing well on the GP circuit. As I said, I think both Josh and Jason should be thinking more toward 2018, but that doesn't mean they both aren't a threat to challenge big time and shake things up in the standings.

    Ok, I see you noticed the doubling of Miner. I didn't notice you hadn't included Rippon, but yes, there's no Johnny.
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    No I never had any intention of including Johnny in the poll. That was not a mistake. I only intended to include Rippon instead of Miner twice.

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    Yeah, obviously and not surprising either. You are getting some votes. It will be interesting if someone makes the team who is not in this poll (other than Rippon that is, who still currently is not included).

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    I''m thinking that if Dornbush avoids illness and injury, he and Aaron will make the team

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    Probably Aaron and Abbott. But I hope at least one of Dornbush or Farris makes it. Farris is a really big longshot though. Ricky could have a good chance though. Lysacek and Miner are other considerations. I'd be very surprised if anyone outside of the 6 I mentioned made the team though.

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    I voted Aaron and Dornbush.
    "I hit him with my shoes... if he had given me the medal like I told him to, I wouldn't have had to hit him!" -- 8-year-old Rhoda Penmark in "The Bad Seed"

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    It's beyond bizarre to me that some consider Dornbush to have a really good chance to make the team and Farris to be a really big longshot. AS IF Ricky's track record has been the epitome of confidence and dependability . . . are we even talking about the same skater?

    As for Aaron, he has never been in the position of being the chased, so it will be really interesting to see how he reacts to being a first time defending National Champion with everyone gunning for him.

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    My hope is that Ricky finds his consistency and matures his skating better enough to make the olympic team. I also want Farris to make his olympic debut at Sochi but as long as Ricky earns his spot, I'd be fine with anyone.

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    I voted Aaron and Lysacek.

    Aaron because the US judges reward multi-quadding. (remember Bradley?) Amazing how those PCS scores rise with quadding. Aaron is a solid skater (better than Bradley) , and he is consistent. It will be enough. I think he will handle the stress of defending his title well.

    Lysacek will be over-rewarded for being a returning OGM.


    Who would I rather see? Some combination of Rippon, Abbott or Miner. Miner has been consistently in the medals at Nationals the last few years. He has a shot for top two if Lysacek doesn't come back. Rippon has the perfect (for him) FS program. He might sneak in if he stays healthy and his jumps improve. Abbott's a quality skater, no longer at his best. He would be a sentimental favorite to make the team, but age and injury seem to be working against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    It's beyond bizarre to me that some consider Dornbush to have a really good chance to make the team and Farris to be a really big longshot. AS IF Ricky's track record has been the epitome of confidence and dependability . . . are we even talking about the same skater?

    As for Aaron, he has never been in the position of being the chased, so it will be really interesting to see how he reacts to being a first time defending National Champion with everyone gunning for him.
    I hope you don't consider me beyond bizarre

    My thought on Dornbush is that first of all, there seems to be logical excuses for his last 2 season: Poorly mounted blade in 2011-12, ankle injury during the 2012 GPF and flu at Nationals this past January. I personally get suspicious over numerous excuses, but we'll see.

    His performances at the last comp - 2013 4CC's - show that he is capable of scoring big even w/ flaws. Both national and international judges seem to love him and will reward him with PCS which gives me hope for him.

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    I voted for Max & ....Jason!! Jason is going to come into his own now that he has the triple axle. If he lands the quad he may be very hard to beat. As far a s Dornbush is concerned I see him as a legitimate contender for the medal stand at Nationals. He's a fighter & his problem this past season has been an inconsistent quad but it's coming. What I see in him is a man who makes major mistakes in the beginning of a program & then gathers himself & skates strong in the last half. Miner will be back. I don't expect Abbott to even medal. Lysacek is a question mark. With a solid quad he could repeat as Champion. Then there is Farris & Rippon & Messing & Mahbanoozadeh & ....! LOL!

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    One factor I had not considered is the obvious reality whoever the U.S sends to Sochi there is zero medal possability, not even someone with an outside shot if they skated lights out and there were alot of errors. So with that in mind perhaps they will look to the future and make sure to send two guys who might have a shot for 2018. If that mentality is taken it could be say Farris and Dornbush being sent, or perhaps even Brown if he has improved alot. Aaron probably wont be around for 2018, but could help the U.S regain 3 spots at the World level up until 2016 so they might continue to reward him if he keeps landing quads and skating well also. Probably no point sending old Abbott or old Lysacek to the Olympics to finish somewhere from 9th to 15th and retire, sending journeyman Miner, or unable to make mark Rippon.

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    Dornbush and Farris are the most complete skaters on the list for artistry and technique

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    Quote Originally Posted by icellist View Post
    Dornbush and Farris are the most complete skaters on the list for artistry and technique
    Yes and if the USFS wants to send guys who have a chance to be medal contenders in 2018, then these are probably the smartest 2 picks. If there were a 3rd spot I wouldn't mind Abbott or Lysacek going, but realistically next season will be their last, and they are both past their prime so I feel like unless they really skate lights out at Nats and have good fall seasons, giving them an Olympic spot as a retirement gift is not the wisest decision. Aaron could also stay around until 2018, but idk if he has the potential to be a medal contender on the World stage, his artistry would have to improve a lot. Miner I think is probably always going to be a 2nd tier skater internationally, Rippon is lovely but not strong enough with the jumps I'm afraid, Jason could be a factor in a few years but I don't think he'll be quite soup next season given the newness of the 3a, and he has yet to even attempt a quad in competition (and just started training them recently), so no need to rush him especially with only 2 spots. Dornbush and Farris would be my ideal team but Aaron is also a good choice.

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    I hope Abbott will be in.
    And I guess Aaron is the best to have a spot, but I would love Joshua Farris to be in the team !

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    I bet Lysacek will not skate at US Nationals again, or any eligible competition for that matter. Pretty sure Aaron will make it, and Mr. Consistency Ross Miner will grab the second spot. If not Miner, then Abbott with Farris and Dornbush as dark horses.

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    I refuse to vote in this poll because Alexander Johnson isn't on it.

    Yeah, long shot and all that, but damn, what fabulous edges and presentation.

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    ^^ Ha ha. Alexander would indeed be a wonderful addition, if there was a third spot available. I'm with you that there are obviously other talented guys contending in the U.S., but to be honest, the top guys are the ones listed (Rippon has not yet been included as intended). I haven't actually voted because I prefer to wait until the new season starts, at least.


    ITA with the excellent points made by centerpt1!


    IMO, Joshua and Jason have 2018 to look forward to, and anything before that will be a significant accomplishment -- even better than icing on the cake. If there were 3 spots available, I believe it would be more likely Farris could win a spot if he skated competitively well at Nationals. Jason doesn't yet have a quad, but he seems to have mastered the 3-axel and with his superb artistry and showmanship he's definitely a contender on a grand scale. But again with only two spots, it's more likely ...

    The battle for Sochi will come down to Max, Richard, Adam, Evan, Jeremy, and Ross. Plus, a clean Armin with quads should not be completely ruled out as a podium contender. I definitely hope to also see Alexander and Keegan place well. I also would not discount the fact that if Johnny miraculously comes back with quads and is somehow reborn, he would be competitive, but I wish he would have gone the cool commentator route. In fact, to me Evan isn't looking like he could pull off an actual U.S. title win the way Max has proven he can control his nerves and lay down quads. However, as current OGM and perennial USFS fave, Evan still has some clout and rep, that is if he comes back strong, which is not guaranteed. The shame is that Jeremy has the talent to trump everyone (even Patrick), but Jere-amazin' has ultimately lacked the mental fortitude in the competitive moments that mattered. Sadly, it was largely physical issues which proved to be Jeremy's biggest obstacle this season. It’ll be fun seeing Jeremy performing his programs for a final time this season at WTT.

    I think museks8r along with JJ should review the history of surprising figure skating upsets and triumphant comebacks. In this sport, anything is possible. And, in fact, Richard Dornbush has all-around talent and potential. He will surely need a measure of good luck too after having rotten luck the past two seasons. But with the right programs, confidence and momentum, Richard is definitely a contender. IMO, Richard has struggled more-so with overall confidence due to setbacks. He surely needs to work on his posture, stretch and line, but it’s quite obvious to me that RD had the capability and the possibility of winning or making the World team even this year had he been clean and had he not contracted that virus. He went for it in the long program at Nats but came up short due to lacking stamina. I suppose it’s clear that neither Max nor Richard happen to be your cup of tea, museks8r.

    I don’t argue that Richard and Joshua have all-around talent in terms of technique and artistry, but I don’t think either of them has yet fully come into their own re unique style, amazing artistry and musical interpretation (Jeremy, Jason, Adam) or amazing quads and fierce determination (Max). Also, Ross has overall proven to be more competitively consistent than Richard, but they both have been adjusting recently to the effort to make their quads more reliable.


    Actually, pinky, Adam is looking pretty rock solid on his jumps. Since he’s coming back from an ankle injury, he didn’t perform all the difficult jumps in his recent new program debut, but don’t let that fool you. Adam’s conquered the 3-axel technique, and he’s looking very strong and confident. He’s also training quads under his coach and jump-maestro, Rafael Arytunyan.

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