"If I agree well it's just to appease you 'cause I don't remember what were fighting for..." - Sarah McLachlan
^^ I doubt Frank Carroll is just now realizing that fact when he lived through it in a trial by fire ... Maybe you're just realizing that he has had to deal with and knows more about the dirty underside of figure skating judging and politics than either you or I hopefully ever will. Frank also confirms as is pretty apparent that U.S. coaches and officials have never been too good at figure skating politicking. It really reeks what went on among the judges at the Lake Placid Olympics. But even watching at home as a young person who knew not much about figure skating, it seemed to me that something really was pretty strange about Annett Poetzch winning over Linda Fratianne at those Olympics.
In comparison, Chanflation is probably to Frank mainly just one of the current minor annoyances of IJS, among many. Of course Frank is not gonna complain about Patrick's win, or get caught up in the slang terminology. And Frank is right, it's a victory for Denis regardless, even though there is clearly a problem with the scoring (especially in the components) when you examine the performances and the scores closely for both sets of programs.
Partial credit, that's part of CoP.
"Clean skate" was the only card that Lysacek owned in order to compete with the top guys. He didn't have a quad anymore. If he put a quad into his program, it was guaranteed to fail. With his other non-outstanding qualities, one fall would have taken him out of the contention. So he had no choice but to skate clean with only triples if he wanted to stay competitively.
As for Lysacek in Vancouver..he did stay competitive. Right up onto the Gold position on the podium.
Even though they're not entirely comparable, gymnastics went through a fugly period (where it's still existing but in a less extreme form) where gymnasts were just chucking skills and doing routines way above their skill level and getting credit for it. Of course, that was a reaction to safe 10.0 routines where boring, safe gymnasts who got to the 10.0 SV were being rewarded over gymnasts with more exciting routines who completed their elements but with a bit more execution errors.
I think they've been trying to figure out that balance for the past decade or so in gymnastics, and I see the same thing happening in figure skating.
It is about the desire to adjust a relatively new and ever- changing system so that it has the best chance of rewarding the best skater of every particular competition. Currently I feel it is broken down into so many pieces that judges cannot operate in it without pre- judging. It does not matter whether it was the same under 6.0; what matters is that ideally it should not be the case.
People say that PCSs is not "artistic mark"; neither it is, I hope, a SS mark or a placement/reputation mark. Carroll addresses Ten's PCS increase from Short to Long; while it is somewhat inevitable that judges adjust their opinions based on SP success or failure, it should be minimized. PCS are not judged separately, which is another big problem IMO.
And I agree with posters who say that jump must be judged as a whole element, not "entrance/height/rotation/ landing". Well, except perhaps a difficult entrance bonus. Currently we see the system "pixelate" certain elements while ignoring bigger PCS distinctions.
But again, the whole debate is about the system and the ways to improve it, not about Patrick per se, who is an amazing skater.
improving my ballad- like lines
I think COP has allowed a new breed of skaters to develop - those with great basics who have the capacity to elevate technique to art. I'd include both Chan, Fernadez and Denis in that group. None are natural artists/performers IMO, not the way that Takahashi or Lambiel is.
Some skaters in the past have fit in this category as well, but the 6.0 system didn't allow them to flourish in the way the COP does. Fumie Suguri comes to mind as one with great basics in terms of SS.
And I wonder if Browning is more like Chan than Petrenko.