I'm looking forward to read this interview as well. You may like Frank Caroll as a person or not, but he is one of the most successfull coaches for single skaters and always seemed to know how to "play the game" in terms of politicks, etc. So I'm sure it will be interesting to read!
Why don't you just admit you are still pissed of, three years later, that your precious Plushenko did not win the gold? Everything you have said since Vancouver shows that you believe the quad is king. Well guess what, by that token you should be arguing that Timothy Goebel should have won Salt Lake. Doesn't matter how lights out, Alexei Yagudin skated, but your arguments Goebel should have won because he did three quads.
BTW, if you're going to argue the most complete skater should have won Vancouver, there is no way that skater should be Plushenko. Takahashi was the most complete skater in Vancouver.
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The isu rule changes made the strategy impossible. So the rule changes were all coincidental? Not by my standards but the isu rule changes. That layout can no longer even really be attempted as a win because the point possibilities arent there anymore. Short programs now have more quads than the 2010 Olympic free program!! If takahashi landed his quad the yes he should have won and then plushenko still with silver. I do not ever say most quads win but a quad must at least be attempted for the program to be up to men's standard of what's possible. Not any quadless nonsense. That can barely win Jrs now.
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Carroll was the coach? He said the nonsense about "figure jumping." he tried to give Ten Lysaceks exact same technical layout but it became impossible to succeed with! Quads did not mean figure jumping but just being a part of the jumps like 3a needed to succeed.
You can still medal without the quad. If Ten had done another jump other than a quad in his fs at worlds, he still would have won the silver medal over Javier.
Jenny and Dave posted a teaser of their interview with Frank, and they're asking him some pretty pointed questions about Chanflation, Tiffany Chin's mom and Chris Bowman's drug addiction.
Heavy stuff. I'm so interested to hear his answers. Frank has always kept things relatively close to the vest, so I wonder how candid he'll be in this interview.
Interview goes up on April 14th!
Plushenko had wonky jump landings, no transitions leading into or out of his jumps in his free skate. He lost massive points that he could have had with better choreography. I also agree that Takahashi was the most complete skater, but his missing his quad lost him the five-ring gold. Lysack won because he did not screw up his planned programs, which included plenty of transitions, excellent footwork and outstanding choreography that served his skating style very well.
To piss and moan about him winning (regardless of what jumps he did or didn't do) this near to the next Olympics is like peeing in the wind. No one cares unless they get hit in the face by it. That's what you get off on imho. You love to bring your warped sense of what skating should be in your mind to bare on everyone else, thus spreading your unhappiness, and in the process you feel better about yourself. I think you need to get a life. That's my opinion. Take it or leave it as you wish!
There is nothing more captivating in this world than a woman's form gracing the ice in skating boots. It's simply sensational!
You're just wrong about the jump landings. There wasn't anything wrong With the landings. No step outs, two foots, urs, etc. Nothing wrong with the landings. Plushenko did Do things between his technical elements! His program was not empty of things between elements.
My "warped sense of what skating should be" is going on right now. At 2011, 2012 and 2013 worlds that's my view of what men's skating should be. All the medalists are doing everything. It's not warped it's the reality that was possible in Vancouver but extreme ultraconservatism because of the brutal quad rules and too many points available elsewhere made so many skaters play it safe and ruin the progress set in motion at the 1998 ; 2002 and 2006 Olympics and worlds from 1997 to 2007! Now everything is back to normal! And men's skating is exactly where it should be!! 2010 was awful garbage hurting takahashi the most! The men's discipline is not "complete" without quads and thinking they should matter is not figure jumping or a jump contest. It's what is going on right now!! "warped" no - reality now - yes!
Listen, I know you're unhappy with the way things went at the 2010 Olympics, but trolling various internet articles, posts, etc. that mention Lysaceck is certainly unhealthy. Lysaceck, like Chan in at this past Worlds, won with the rules that governed the competition. No amount of posts you make will change that.
I understand debating the results and talking about "what ifs" is a huge part of being a sports fan. A big chunk of many posters' time on this forum is dedicated to debate. However, there is a time where it becomes unhealthy (like when you have nothing but hate to spew). I think you'd be much happier if you just let it go.