Page 4 of 16 FirstFirst ... 2345614 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 80 of 310
  1. #61

    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Oz
    Posts
    2,551
    vCash
    400
    Rep Power
    6051
    I am pretty sure Chan stole Judgejudy's chickens and peed in his garden!
    Prosperity makes friends, adversity tries them. – Publilius Syrus

  2. #62
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    672
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Why not. It,seems only Candaians can\ have right to petition change iutcome. Seems like not to long ago thatthey bitched regarding a certain pair team who skated clean other mesessed,up abit even though claimed harder program . Canada CLAIMED CORRUPT JUDGING then. Nothing NEW Since U.S. FANS WAS CLAIMING CORRUPY JUDGING ALL ALONG. Did they Listen to us No. So now someone wants to petition for Dennjs why not, i think some fans are jeslt
    jealous didnt
    think of it first I know I would have done for Michelle if I thought i would have done any good.
    Last edited by query5; 03-26-2013 at 02:12 PM.

  3. #63
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Does it matter?
    Posts
    1,115
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by AndyWarhol View Post
    haha, whats with the roll eyes? Im hardly a Kostner uber.
    I think there should be harsher penalties for falls... even if were to hurt my gal Mao.
    lol I don't think I was talking to you but rolling eyes because I couldn't imagine Kostner not winning Europeans with the great programs she has had this season, the amazing quality of her skating and her superior presentation.

    Mao doesn't usually fall, her technical mistakes are of a different nature, so a more severe deduction for falls wouldn't hurt her often.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave of the North View Post
    In that case Chan's strategy should be to double some jumps if he at all feels any risk of falling. He will still have enough margin to win and everyone will be happy that the OC didn't fall.
    That would actually be a good strategy for any skater if the judges decide to punish falls more harshly, doubling or singling jumps if they feel the take-off or the position in the air is not ideal for them to do three rotations and land the element cleanly. We would probably see more popping but most likely less falling.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueRidge View Post
    Snarks aside, this is actually the likely outcome. Not for Chan necessarily but for the competition. The pressure will lead judges to feel it necessary to mark down by more a skater who falls. The best skater who has one fall will lose to a skater with either less skill overall or less challenging content.

    And then the screaming about how its such a scandal will start up once again and figure skating will go down another notch.
    If it's such a scandal that Chan won Worlds (due to the short progam), I would assume not many people would complain if the judges marked down by more skaters who fall and the best skater with the most challenging content loses if he/she falls to a skater with less skill or less difficult content who skates cleanly because that's what most people wanted, no?

  4. #64
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    1,485
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    If you can't even bother to distinguish between a reef and a wreath......
    Love this one!
    Yes certainly reflects on the writer!

  5. #65
    AYS's snark-sponge
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    in the Bobrova & Soloviev Fan Clubhouse
    Posts
    41,586
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    15900
    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    ...If it's such a scandal that Chan won Worlds (due to the short progam), I would assume not many people would complain if the judges marked down by more skaters who fall and the best skater with the most challenging content loses if he/she falls to a skater with less skill or less difficult content who skates cleanly because that's what most people wanted, no?
    People don't agree and people wouldn't agree on the specific circumstances if that happened. The dream that a judging system and judging implentation can be created that will forever quell the din of complaints about figure skating outcomes just isn't realistic. Its never happened and never will.

    Should figure skating keep trying to improve how the system is designed and implemented? Absolutely. And a lot of good suggestions have been made in discussions here at FSU over the past two weeks. I don't know the best way to influence the ISU on this, but I think there's a more reasoned ground than the petition linked in this thread to do so.
    Congratulations 2014 World Ice Dance Champions Anna Cappellini & Luca Lanotte!!!

  6. #66
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    1,124
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    If it makes some of you feel better Chan will likely retire after Sochi and then all will be right with your universe. Because from where I'm sitting I don't think anything is going to make some of you happy until he is gone because love him or hate him the guy is a skating prodigy and because of that he is going to score well. So find a quiet corner somewhere, rock yourself back and forth and know that it will all be over in a year.

    As for me. I'm just going to appreciate what he brings to the table (regardless of where he lands on or off the podium) and be thankful I recognized and enjoyed it while it was happening.

  7. #67

    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Posts
    7,595
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    1913
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueRidge View Post
    Snarks aside, this is actually the likely outcome. Not for Chan necessarily but for the competition. The pressure will lead judges to feel it necessary to mark down by more a skater who falls. The best skater who has one fall will lose to a skater with either less skill overall or less challenging content.
    The simple solution to this would be to have judges stop judging PCS as one mark. There are 5 judging criteria in PCS but you wouldn't know it because nobody has the guts to show variation in scoring. The majority of judges box skaters into scoring brackets and SS, TR, CH, IN and PE rarely varies between 1 point. As of now, if the judges think your SS's are in the 7 or 8's, then everything else will follow within 1 point(usually less). It doesn't matter if you have an empty program and your choreography is a joke *cough* Joubert *cough*, you will be judged in the 7/8's thus holding the skater up. Likewise, just because you land 3 quads in a program doesn't mean you deserve high 7's or 8's in SS.

    This could still leave a skater like Chan with potentially a one fall advantage over a lesser skater and/or a skater with lesser content who skates lights out. JMO

  8. #68
    AYS's snark-sponge
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    in the Bobrova & Soloviev Fan Clubhouse
    Posts
    41,586
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    15900
    Its possible if this outrage has reached enough of a fever pitch that Patrick may have now lost any chance at a gold medal Sochi, if the judges are more afraid of outcry if he wins than if he doesn't. The easy way out of this for the ISU is to have Patrick not win in Sochi so he may be biased against now.
    Congratulations 2014 World Ice Dance Champions Anna Cappellini & Luca Lanotte!!!

  9. #69
    AYS's snark-sponge
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    in the Bobrova & Soloviev Fan Clubhouse
    Posts
    41,586
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    15900
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayra View Post
    The simple solution to this would be to have judges stop judging PCS as one mark. There are 5 judging criteria in PCS but you wouldn't know it because nobody has the guts to show variation in scoring. The majority of judges box skaters into scoring brackets and SS, TR, CH, IN and PE rarely varies between 1 point. As of now, if the judges think your SS's are in the 7 or 8's, then everything else will follow within 1 point(usually less). It doesn't matter if you have an empty program and your choreography is a joke *cough* Joubert *cough*, you will be judged in the 7/8's thus holding the skater up. Likewise, just because you land 3 quads in a program doesn't mean you deserve high 7's or 8's in SS.

    This could still leave a skater like Chan with potentially a one fall advantage over a lesser skater and/or a skater with lesser content who skates lights out. JMO
    I think there is pretty strong agreement that the PCS is not properly implemented by the judges. It seems to me that this is the kind of thing the ISU needs to be pressured on, rather than any specific result. Protesting a specific result tends to muddy all the issues in my estimation. I think the focus needs to be on remedying the perceived problems going forward.
    Congratulations 2014 World Ice Dance Champions Anna Cappellini & Luca Lanotte!!!

  10. #70

    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    The Valley
    Posts
    4,277
    vCash
    9456
    Rep Power
    4330
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueRidge View Post
    Its possible if this outrage has reached enough of a fever pitch that Patrick may have now lost any chance at a gold medal Sochi, if the judges are more afraid of outcry if he wins than if he doesn't. The easy way out of this for the ISU is to have Patrick not win in Sochi so he may be biased against now.
    All hail Kevin Reynolds, Olympic Champion...

  11. #71
    AYS's snark-sponge
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    in the Bobrova & Soloviev Fan Clubhouse
    Posts
    41,586
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    15900
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave of the North View Post
    All hail Kevin Reynolds, Olympic Champion...
    Congratulations 2014 World Ice Dance Champions Anna Cappellini & Luca Lanotte!!!

  12. #72
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    324
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    If it's such a scandal that Chan won Worlds (due to the short progam), I would assume not many people would complain if the judges marked down by more skaters who fall and the best skater with the most challenging content loses if he/she falls to a skater with less skill or less difficult content who skates cleanly because that's what most people wanted, no?
    You make it sound bad, But if someone competed better on the event, Yes, They should at least be considered the win, Even if they're "lesser" skaters,

    And honestly, I Wouldn't mind having either silver Medal winning performance from the latest "Chan worlds" as my champion, Probably could even live with a couple of the Bronze ones,
    But maybe for you if Takahashi, Kozuka, Ten or even Hanyu or Fernandez ended up winning those competitions, They would've been lesser champions,

    It's not like there wouldn't be ANYONE of great skills stepping up
    Last edited by Eladola; 03-26-2013 at 03:50 PM.

  13. #73
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    22
    Posts
    12,978
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by bmcg View Post
    If it makes some of you feel better Chan will likely retire after Sochi and then all will be right with your universe.
    if the judging (especialy the horrible judging of the mens singles of the last 6 years) continues as it is nothing will be right in figure skating for a long time no matter who is skating.

  14. #74
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    22
    Posts
    12,978
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by query5 View Post
    Why not. It,seems only Candaians can\ have right to petition change iutcome.
    Very true. I believe the only country awarded a second gold medal from any judged sport is Canada, and they have had it happen for them TWICE no less. Canadians are the biggest crybabies when it comes to judging, but go mum when it is them who get the gifts.

  15. #75
    YEAH!
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Worshipping Grebenkina...
    Posts
    13,679
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    5868
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueRidge View Post
    Its possible if this outrage has reached enough of a fever pitch that Patrick may have now lost any chance at a gold medal Sochi, if the judges are more afraid of outcry if he wins than if he doesn't. The easy way out of this for the ISU is to have Patrick not win in Sochi so he may be biased against now.
    I'm sure he will win if he skates clean. I don't see anyone in skating taking issue with that. However, what I do think will happen is his scores in the SP will be kept very close to the others, and that his PCS marks will take a bigger hit than usual if he falls, opening up the chance for others to take it if they skate cleaner (still needing an overall polished and strong set of performances with good content to be Olympic champion). The main issue with this Worlds was that he built up such a big lead in the SP that he was impossible to catch, and a healthy PCS in the LP kept him competitive.

    Now some people would say that keeping him close in the SP and dinging him on PCS if he falls isn't a bad thing at all - they'd say that's what should have been happening all along, so if politiking against him in the media is what gets the judges there, great. Others would say that it's unfair to keep Chan artificially close to others because what he does is that good that he deserves those leads - he's just that much better than everyone else and legitimately deserves a cushion.

    For me it's a matter of degree - he's better, but four falls better? Two falls? It's hard to quantify. Ironically I think this year's result was not as bad as last year's. Ten was within 3 points of Chan's PCS in the LP, which is reasonable. Last year, I cannot understand how Chan deserved almost 5 PCS points more than Takahashi, whose performance was stronger than Ten's in 2013, IMO. Last year the difference between Chan and Takahashi was greater than the difference between Takahashi and Amodio/Joubert in PCS and I can't justify that.

    So I actually see that the judges already are making somewhat of an effort to get Chan's scores down to earth this year, but it wasn't enough for Ten to overtake him, either because Ten isn't quite that good, or because he doesn't have enough reputation (I would give him some green blobs if I could ).

    I guess my problem with the system is that I see where Chan's scores may be justified, I see where Ten winning may be justified, but I don't have confidence that the numbers input by the judges are strictly based on the criteria and what they see on the ice, rather than being due to politiks and reputation. So I can't quite agree with people that say the result can be explained by reviewing the protocols or that all is fair because Ten won the LP (but did he win by the right margin?).

  16. #76
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    22
    Posts
    12,978
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    If you aren't able to notice that Kostner has the best skating skills in the world
    This obsession with skating skills over everything else is the only real joke. Yes Kostner has great skating skills, as does Chan, but skating skills is only ONE aspect of the sport. A very important one yes, but it does not override all else. The skating skills excuse to give medals to Chan and Kostner (in Chan's case always gold) no matter how many times they fall, or any other deficits relative to their competitors sometimes falls short of making the mark. In Kostner's case I do think she deserved the silver overall at Worlds this year despite her mistakes (her SP score was quite the gift mind you) but only a Kostner fangirl or Cinquanata himself would deny she has had some blatant gifts in the past (eg- 2008 Worlds, a couple times at Europeans, maybe 2005 Worlds). She does not reach Chan's stratosphere of "held up" but she is one of the more overscored skaters through her career nonetheless.

  17. #77
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    1,124
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    if the judging (especialy the horrible judging of the mens singles of the last 6 years) continues as it is nothing will be right in figure skating for a long time no matter who is skating.
    I think it would be great for the sport of figure skating if people like you started watching tennis instead.

  18. #78

    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    at FSU
    Posts
    3,923
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    2790
    Totally agree bmcg. There's irritating, then there's "jesus h christ, will this person ever shut up?"
    I guess the hard thing for a lot of people to accept is why God would allow me to go running through their yards, yelling and spinning around.


  19. #79
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    22
    Posts
    12,978
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    If my comments bother you that much that is what an ignore list is for, which incidentally is where you two idiots are now going, Adios and good riddance.

  20. #80
    Watch me move
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Gwyneth Paltrow Fan Club headquarters
    Posts
    16,757
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Very true. I believe the only country awarded a second gold medal from any judged sport is Canada, and they have had it happen for them TWICE no less. Canadians are the biggest crybabies when it comes to judging, but go mum when it is them who get the gifts.
    If you "believe" maybe you should make sure before posting. When was the second gold medal?
    Who wants to watch rich people eat pizza? They must have loved that in Bangladesh. - Randy Newman on the 2014 Oscars broadcast

Page 4 of 16 FirstFirst ... 2345614 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •