Lady 2: there isn't anything about me on goooogle, I mean, I must take it off if there is.....
Lady 3: The google is a terrible thing, I mean I don't want anything on there! (Overheard by millyskate on a London train.)
Kwan could not have lost the LP to the skater 2nd or 3rd in the SP and won.
Kwan's 5.9s and 6.0s were rankings, not cumulative points.
As a Canadian I can tell you that Cam Cole is a notorious Kwan hater though. In 2005 after Irina's 2nd World title he wrote that atleast 3 of Michelle's World title should have gone to Irina (thus atleast 3 out of 1996, 1998, 2000, and 2001, though I highly doubt he gave that statement any in depth thought or any particular years, and just pulled it out of his ass). He griped about her scores on many other occasions and talked about her spell on the judges. He even once implied the only difference between Jennifer Robinson and Michelle was hype and judging favortism. He isnt really much of a skating expert, he also whined for years Elvis Stojko was grossly undermarked (while I respect Stojko greatly, some have suggested the opposite at times).
If Chan were scored like Michelle Kwan his only World title would have been 2011 (which is how it should have been anyway).
Kwan deserved all her World and National titles, really, no contest.
There was definitely some controversy over her first-place finishes in the 1998 and 2002 short programs - especially 2002 - but she's also been low-balled on marks, like the 2000 Worlds freeskate and 2001-02 Grand Prix Final.
"Marge, if you're going to get mad at me every time I do something stupid, then I guess I'm just going to have to stop doing stupid things!" - Homer Simpson in the Mr. Plow episode
Mr. Cole writes
Um...that's right, it wasn't.It (inflated scores) wasn't killing figure skating when an American (Kwan) was the beneficiary.
I think I will have a snack and take a nap before I eat and go to sleep.
Kwan's performance of her Red Violin FS at the 1999 Skate America was sublime, and I can see why it deserved a 6.0 for artistry. Everything flowed so well and just felt so right; aside from the fall on the flip and the iffy landing on the loop, it really was perfect and I actually prefer the performance aspect of it to the one she delivered at Worlds. On the TV broadcast, they actually showed a shot of Hughes watching with her coach immediately after Kwan had finished and Hughes looked totally blown away by what she had witnessed, so I doubt I'm alone in my opinion and that Hughes felt she was cheated of the title.
Kwan was somewhat hit and miss with me, some years I loved her skating, other years I found her incredibly ::. That being said she was on the World podium so often,as many others have already posted, because she was a consistent skater period.
But I think my real issue with the article when it comes to "inflation" is that it ignores that under the Ordinal system which Kwan competed , marks were placeholders and nothing more. Under OBO, if one judge gave her a 5.9 and all the rest of the judges gave her 5.7s, yet that judge has her ranked in line with what the rest of the judges did, that judge's "overscoring" doesn't really count for much. It could have been that the judge in question merely had base marks of.2 higher across the board.
In Patrick Chan's case, criticisms hold a bit more water because we're dealing with real numbers.
I think Kwanita (Mrs. Pell) would soundly disapprove of such behavior, jamesy. After all, she's the U.S. State Department's Public Diplomacy Envoy.
In any case, even while competing within the sport, MK was head-and-shoulders above it. These days, she's quite clearly beyond it and successfully involved with other life-changing pursuits. Apparently, the sport itself can't ever forget her or get beyond her pure and hard-won magnificence. Kween will probably continue to be the touchstone, the standard, the unifier and the divider, the victor, the vilified yet respected, the one-and-only, the reason and the excuse for everything that gets detractors' and ubers' blood boiling ... PURPLE!
AFAIK, Chan and Kwan have in common the fact of their Chinese heritage, and that they are both human beings, and that they are both hard-working champion figure skaters. Probably any other resemblance or similarity especially in terms of their skating competitions and careers is a coincidental figment of the writer's imagination.
Speaking of smelly smells, I'm getting more than a whiff of something rotten and smelly decomposing in the state of figure skating.
Last edited by aftershocks; 03-24-2013 at 09:45 AM.
Yeah sorry, I was thinking of 2001 Skate America, not 1999. People all over the place were in an uproar because Sarah did not win and the media was acting like Michelle made herself win.