But what people are taking issue with is the type of PCS Patrick is getting with multiple errors in his program. And I'm sorry I have a hard time thinking politics isn't playing a role in this. Look at the kind of PCS hit other skaters get when they give bad programs...
Its like one standard for Patrick another for others.
Plushenko never won with that type of performance. And as for Plushenko losing the Olympics-what does have to do with anything. Plushenko's on record saying he doesn't see himself winning Olympic Gold this time. He's certainly allowed to have opinion though don't you think.
Last edited by bek; 03-21-2013 at 05:39 AM.
I don't think Chan to skate like a champion, but I don't think Ten deserves to be a champion either. He needs to improve himself in many ways.
There're no shining prgms that night at Men's competition in London, so I have rather not give anyone the title. It's weird.. but anyway considering short program, I can accept the result.
In the end it should be about who was the best at the competition. Not whose been the best in years past. Not who is the best in practice. But who skated the best that competition.
Last edited by bek; 03-21-2013 at 05:36 AM.
Well, I'm not sure it's a minority that agrees with Plushenko about this, many people are upset by this result, including me.
I can't help but think that we would have better results if IJS remained the same, with one change (from the old 6.0 system): factored placements in the SP and LP.
My idea: keep the scoring the same for the SP, adding up the points and all that. Do the same for the LP. But rather than simply adding up both scores together, take the factored placements from the SP (1st=0.5, 2nd=1.0, etc.) and the factored placements from the LP (1st=1.0, 2nd=2.0, etc.), add those up and we have a winner!
It seems weird that someone can win based on the SP, especially when the same two skaters are the top two in both SP and LP. I like the idea of the SP being worth a third of the score, the LP two-thirds. Chan won the SP, Ten got second. Ten won the LP, Chan got second. Somehow (with the same two skaters duking it out), it seems like a win in the long should trump a win in the short. JMO.
"I hit him with my shoes... if he had given me the medal like I told him to, I wouldn't have had to hit him!" -- 8-year-old Rhoda Penmark in "The Bad Seed"
Seven pages of arguing based on the opinion of a man who declared himself the 2010 Olympic platinum medalist. It concerns me that he is still considered with enough respect to render his views worth mentioning.
You (collective chanflation supporters, not those I've quoted) can argue PCS all you want but then (as TonyWheeler pointed out) you also have to argue the inflated PCS for other skaters like Aaron, Joubert, Reynolds, Brezina and probably others if I bothered to look.
“Nothing is so strong as gentleness, nothing so gentle as real strength” - St. Francis de Sales
so why can' Chan skate.
a fall free program at worlds, he seems to do it at his nationals more than one time. shows he can but worlds not so mucht
I wonder if the Chanatics have found any polyps while they are all up in there.
This thread is all sorts of
The piece is seventy-five minutes long...[l]ong enough for an idea to be developed, but not so long that one starts to measure the number of seats to the exits with desperation if the thing doesn’t work" -- Marina Harss
I have been thinking like this. Also Todd posted his opinion like mine. I am a bit glad to know I'm not only one who could not understand Patrick's always-high PCS.
Last edited by Glacier cat; 03-21-2013 at 10:02 AM.
Based on Plushenko´s own skating programmes I have gotten the impression that he (and perhaps other oldtimers, especially Weir) does not understand CoP programmes at all. So, his opinion of who should have won in any competition, is not something that means anything to me.
In my opinion Chan had the most complex choreography and although he fell twice and had some other mistakes as well, he still deserved to win against Ten, especially considering Chan´s strong sp. And rightfully Ten won the freeskate. The result was veeeery close and if Ten had done one jump differently, he would have won!
Last edited by Jaana; 03-21-2013 at 10:18 AM.
So someone who has perservered in a physically very difficult sport until the unheard of age of 30, winning everything there is to win, does not deserve respect? Considering that he is one of the skaters with the most titles ever, I would imagine that he is considered a bit more expert in this field than all the sit-at-home critics on this forum.
That falls are not punished severely enough? Okay, let the ISU punish them more harshly but we might well see a situation where Takahashi with a fall or two finishes behind a clean Peter Liebers or Hanyu with falls finishes behind a clean Andrei Rogozine or Kostner with falls finishes behind a clean Meite and so on. Even Plushenko, yes, he has been a much more consistent jumper than the current generation of skaters but he is not a robot who has never ever fallen at all in his entire career and you don't know when falls can occur. What if Plushenko fell at the next Nationals and the Russian judges had to apply a much harsher international punishment for falls and Plushenko finished behind a clean Menshov? Menshov would go to the Olympics, not Plushenko, no?
Plushenko is definitely entitled to an opinion about who should have won the World Championships, just like Todd Eldredge for that matter, but a person - no matter who that person is - writing on twitter that skater X didn't deserve to win without providing any detailed explanation or analysis to support his/her statement and other people blindly agreeing with that person is just bla bla to me, sorry to say this.
I would be fine with them doing away with the short program