Well, that second paragraph wasn't terribly complimentary - maybe hate is too big of a word, but it wasn't flattering. It just wasn't necessary and I think you know exactly what you are doing. Just my humble opinion!
Lala...I am a true fan of Yags. I don't give a rip if he hates everybody in the Western Hemisphere. I don't care if he says things that might not be complimentary to where I live. I can understand someone being in a foreign country and feeling out of sorts. I love Yags because of what he put on the ice, and nothing else!
Also - Plushy a Communist? I didn't think there were any more of them in Russia or very few. Come on Lala....Communists????? Are you kidding?
Believe it or not, I am a citizen of the USA who loves Russia and Russian culture and thinks highly of Plushy but loves Yags better. So eat that with your breakfast. And I meant that in a nice way, of course.
Ok, Holley. I apologize you. I think highly of Yag, because of his skating, but love Plush better.
But don't you remember for the NBC clips with Lenin's statues falling and Plushy presented as an evil commie? And many Plushy fans from North-America talked about the constant and saturation-level vilification of Plushy in American mainstream media, and it was particularly bad against him in 2010.
but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVGRZLmIEIw too big difference..
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Yes the Lenin busts all over the plushenko fluff was weird! It wasn't Peter the great or Catherine the great or Putin but Lenin! I guess it could have been Stalin right? Or were there some stalins too? Hammer and sickles and Lenin? Plushenko never competed for the soviet union. Symbols of Russia could be the kremlin or st basils why go with so much communist dictator stuff. It was very prominent. Plushenko Lenin plushenko Lenin? Why not throw a Peter the great in there!
Plushenko as soviet villain from rocky 4
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Edited to say....I sincerely don't remember Plushy being denigrated with mobile Lenin statues around the 2010 Olys, though that might have happened. I watched those Olympics faithfully, so it must not have made a very big impression if I did see it.
Last edited by Holley Calmes; 03-25-2013 at 10:42 PM.
Watch the video.
There are also shots of the statute of Peter the Great on horseback, a cathedral, and a branch of McDonald's. Clearly, NBC was trying to depict poor little Evgeni Plushenko as an ultra-religious American lackey with imperial pretenstions.
As was pointed out in the links the music was ominous and the reflection was in water. you flash some Lenin and hammer and sickles with ominous music you get reactions from the new yorker and other sites! It was about a figure skater! Not an enemy of the us motivated by Lenin!
What I posted earlier is all I know Yagudin would have said of Chan and his skating. Yagudin and Chan were involved in several shows in China and Korea alongside other skaters in 2011 and 2012 and I thought Yagudin was genuinely friendly to Chan. But of course people who know these things better than I do might want to reply Yagudin was actually just polite to Chan, in fact Yagudin hates Chan and is against him.
It seems there are things Yagudin appreciates about America though.
Are we surprised that figure skating is dying?
In fact, for TR Plushenko earned 7.82/7.75 in Torino (2006), as well as TR scores at 2004 and 2005 CoR, 2005 GPF, 2005 WC (QR and SP), and 2005 and 2006 Euros. He might have competed as if he were competing under 6.0, but he was scored using CoP.
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"The team doesn't get automatic capacity because management is mad" -- Greg Smith, agile guy
What you are suggesting is that there should be a baseline of one quad for a winning program under the current system. But that is an arbitrary criteria and not the current criteria. A points system rewards what is done and the points for the quad is only a portion of the total points.
For your viewpoint to work, there would have to be sufficient points for the first quad - more than for the second - and/or a bonus, to ensure that the one-quad skater would have an secure advantage over the non-quad skater.
OK-I remember the video now. I see that it is rather bleak and the music was dreary and the camera angles were low. But they did show a lot more than just Lenin although unfortunately not in focus.....But those were Plushy's words- and actually I thought he came off pretty heroic. Determined and good natured. I don't think it was all that bad. Plushy looked cute! Mind you, I live in the southern part of the USA and I'm used to having every other movie and TV show depict where I live as containing a bunch of drooling idiot racist uneducated rednecks, so maybe my skin is a little thicker than most people's.
Last edited by Holley Calmes; 03-26-2013 at 12:57 AM.
Someone could always create a bit of software that can determine results based on any criteria.
When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.
I haven't paid close attention on Yagudin in recent years. But I can totally understand for what he said. Still, sorry to say, it's contrary to what you have said about Yagudin's view on Chan. Yes, he did say that he was not interested in competition anymore. But he was refering to lack of high athletic abilities in recent year competitions. He actually specifically singled out Patrick Chan as the only one who qualified for their "multi-quad club". Contrary to what you have insisted, I do not see Yagudin show dislike on Chan at least in this particular interview which you brought here as an example for your claim.
The second part of the translation which was only a small part of this very long interview did seem out of place, since there was no one asking for it. I, for one, have already known what Yagudin thought about USA, American food and drink, girls, and the sort. So the second part of the translation was no surprise to me at all. Whatever your "a bit malicious" intentions go, it didn't work one bit on me.
This whole business of re-direct attention from Plushenko to Yagudin is, to say the least, a little bit tasteless. It doesn't work. Now, back to Plushenko...
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