I'd love to hear what other skaters think of the result. Kurt, Scott, Elvis etc. it would be interesting, but I would also love then to include thoughts on other results you have brought up here, I don't want it to be a Patrick bashing party. We've heard from Plu and Johnny and Todd and Christina Gao.
I'd actually like to know what christina thought of her results at US Nats this year as many felt she was held back and should have finished higher.
Patrick is obviously a glaring example, but he's hardly alone in this.
I'm also seeing repeated in a lot of these "did Chan deserve it" threads the statement that it's now possible to get too big a lead in the SP, making the LP almost an anticlimax. Um...isn't this the argument (along with 'non-TV-friendly') that ultimately got Figures canned? It was possible for an unremarkable free skater to set up such a huge lead they basically just had to show up and actually move to win overall? Is IJS making the SP the new figures?
Wilson is so pro whatever country she is commentating for it is laughable. When she commentates for U.S events too the U.S skaters can do no wrong, and she even gushes endlessly over their mediocre out of the top 10 ranked skaters, especialy the pairs and dancers, sometimes calling someone who is likely to finish 14th at the Worlds as a medal threat. I think we have no idea what she really feels either, you will never get it while she is commentating. To access how she really feels about any given Canadian or American skater though hire her for BBC or something, and see what she says on each.
"I do not know where it is hoped that Maxim Kovtun can enter the world championship in the top ten. It would have been extremely difficult to do this. Any of the top ten shows so high ... And Chan - it's ... there's unfinished painting on a canvas you can draw an analogy with, but here the picture is completely finished, and you cannot take your eyes off it!
Plushenko chance of a little more than in the same Voronov or Menchov. Again forced to offer to look at things realistically. What we did with Eugene - it was good at the time, but compared to what I saw in London, we were in yesterday. Figure skating has become a completely different "- quoted Yagudin" Soviet Sport ".
"Nature is a damp, inconvenient sort of place where birds and animals wander about uncooked."
from Speedy Death
http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/594352 The whole translation http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...o-Sochi/page11
Kovtun - 19th. Save us, Plushenko!
Two Olympic champions - Yagudin and Plushenko about failure of our young athletes in London
Peerless Patrick Chan and - the 19th place of Maxim Kovtun in the short program ... Those who might afford a sleepless night, and broadcast from Canada began at four o'clock in the morning, immediately began to remember the name of Plushenko. Between Chan who again set world record, and our junior, who has started leg weakness from disturbance, there is an abyss. And for us it is time to stop living in illusions and accept the ugly truth. Men's figure skating in Russia is now just not there.
Specifically to look at Chan, Olympic champion of Salt Lake City Alexei Yagudin went to YouTube. Yagudin is known for his skepticism. Many years he repeated that he does not watch figure skating because he does not have time.
No time - always means just one thing: it's boring.
This time Alexei watched.
YAGUDIN: WHAT ZHENYA AND I DID IS IN THE PAST
- What happened to Maxim Kovtun, I do not know, I only saw the top three, - Yagudin told me on the telephone.
- Instead of combination 4-3, Kovtun did 3-1.
- In such cases, how said my first coach Alexei Nikolaevich Mishin: "Look at things realistically". I do not understand there was hope that Maxim Kovtun can make the top ten at the world championships. It would have been extremely difficult for him to do this. Any of the top ten shows such a high level
... And Chan - it's like ... there's unfinished canvases, draw an analogy with the painting, and here the picture, completely finished, which you can not take your eyes off!
- Was it worth in such a deplorable situation to fight for the second ticket to the Olympics? Who to sent and what for? For the 19th place?
- It’s always necessary to fight. Never give up and go to the end. Maxim will hardly be able to recoup in the long program, it is somewhere a millionth of a chance that he would suddenly gets into top ten. We really have not men's figure skating, to this, I will not argue. But you can not just sit down and put hands on knees? We have to go ahead and do what we can.
- And all that we have - it's Plushenko.
- Zhenya has a little more chance than Voronov or Menshov has. Once again I must ask to look at things realistically. What Zhenya and I were doing was good at the time, but against the background of what I saw in London, we are left in yesterday. Figure skating became completely different!
PLUSHENKO: I DID NOT PLACE ANY EXPECTATIONS ON KOVTUN
... Evgeni Plushenko yesterday flew to Israel for examination. He did not have time to see a short program at World Championships yet, even on YouTube.
"I forgot my iPod in the home," - Zhenya admitted. "I wanted to take it, but something distracted me, and I could not put it in the bag. So far I know only the results. Let's not attack Maxim Kovtun. 19th place, nothing remarkable, of course not, but he's still a very young athlete, and his free program at the European Championships in Zagreb, where he first performed at the senior level, looked very dignified. What happened to him in London, maybe there are some details that I do not know, but, probably, the point is that he has not yet matured ... I did not place any expectations on him, to be honest. But anyway there was not alternative to Maxim.
- I have just talked with Alexei Yagudin. He said that figure skating gone far ahead, and what you did stayed in yesterday.
- Um ... You see, Alexei retired in 2002, and after that I skated at the Olympics in Turin in 2006 and won, skated at the Vancouver Olympics in 2010, also won at the last European Championships in Sheffield. I skated under the new judging system and won, so I somehow disagree that stayed in yesterday.
So for some skaters falling a lot or not skating up to par does hurt your PCS and falling a lot for others doesn't. And I don't think that's fair. Watching the programs again I say that I can agree Ten's not as good of a skater as Chan, but Chan really was a mess... And I frankly don't understand how Chan beat Fernandez in the free skate...
Daisuke's PCS to went down by almost five points. And Chan's points from GPF were less than a point.
So one of the big issues I have is the judges aren't consistent with this PCS shouldn't by affected by performance. Other skaters- top skaters in this sport Do get hit much harder on PCS for less errors than Chan does. And so I'm sorry its not fair.
Last edited by bek; 03-23-2013 at 07:33 PM.
One reason for this result was that Ten came out of left field so he wasn't really on the judges radar in the short program. Nevertheless, he scored 30 points over his personal best overall, but just couldn't make up the difference. Had any of the favorites skated two decent programs they would have won the title. Chan lost twice this year after poor skates. Judges are willing to mark him down. The judges did mark him far below what he would have received had he skated better on both jumps and PCS. The reality is that he has so much content in his skates that he really can afford to make a few mistakes. Don't forget that Ten also doubled a jump and didn't max out his triples, so he was 2 triples and many points down to start. Yes, it was a fantastic skate and I would have loved for him to have been able to earn enough points to win, but it just wasn't enough. He was within 2 points of Chan on PCS, a huge achievement, and won the free skate by a comfortable margin. The judges marked what they saw, marked Chan well below what he normally receives on PCS, and the fact that he still earned enough points is a product of the system that rewards what you do rather than what you fail to do.
Especially when Daisuke got docked by five points. At Cup of Russia, Chan didn't do a triple axel in the free.. I actually wouldn't mind if he dropped the triple axel and one altogether if he was clean, he is the best skater. I kind of wish he'd go that route....
Last edited by bek; 03-23-2013 at 08:03 PM.
"The team doesn't get automatic capacity because management is mad" -- Greg Smith, agile guy
I rewatched the event on TV today, and I have to say that Ten seemed very slow.