Whenever you see the name Plushenko, sure there will be a crowd!
Last edited by GoGreen; 03-21-2013 at 11:18 PM.
I'm far more annoyed at the judges and the folks who are defending Chan's win. Than I'm at Chan. Although Chan making comments like Denis made as many mistakes as he did, doesn't endear me to him either.
I can't stand Plushenko and can't believe that I agree with him that Chan should not have gotten the marks he got. I love Chan's skating. Him,Takahashi, Hanyu, and Buttle skate amazing when they are on. The edges, the flow, the transitions, the musicality of their programs are sublime.
Plushenko, Stojko, Joubert, Reynolds are jumping beans that don't really focus on the artistic part of skating but I can't negate that this is a sport so while the Canuck in me is happy that Chan won gold. Silver would have been cool too.
No matter what the placement for Chan was here, 1st to 3rd ( IMHO he deserved to be on the podium), Canada had a very successful world's so that was all I cared about.
I chalk Chan's win like Hamilton in Sarajevo. Or Witt in Calgary. If figures hadn't been in the sport, Orser would have won in 1984 and Manley would have won in 1988.
Ten would have won if it had been just the LP in 2013.
If anything I hope this fires up Chan. If he wins in Sochi with that...gawd help us all.
~I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it.~ (Charles R. Swindoll)
Its not like Chan's never criticized Plushenko. I'm not sure what Plushenko would be threatened about. I think Plushenko understands his own abilities and what is possible not possible.
Last edited by caseyedwards; 03-22-2013 at 03:28 AM.
Uh, um....what?!?!Fs as sport needed plushenkos comments and his clean skating in Vancouver with no falls or stepouts or doubles- better than in Torino which had step out and doubling made his words mean more!! He helped put men's skating back to normal! Not any bullcrap pr training saying like quadlessness is ok and no big deal! They were very big deals!
We live in an ageist society where everything is based on youth, but I hated being 18. I don't like teenagers any more now than I did then. I'm 49 now and there is no way that I'd go back to my teens and 20s - even if I knew what I know now, I don't want to go through all that again. I found it a very difficult time. - Buzz Osborne of the Melvins
And his skating and his ideal of what is good skating seems very dated. Yes, jumps and charisma (subjective) are important in competitive skating, but they are not everything. Edges matter. Ice coverage matters. 1 foot skating matters. Skating in both directions matters. Choreography matters. In-betweens matter. Spins matter. Quality matters. With how his programs were constructed and presented in 2006 and 2010, it just seems like he was quite clueless as to what the judges and the system really wanted - especially in 2010 with all the trash talk on why he believed he should have won.
You mean with plushenkos level 4 spins in Vancouver ? I think its obvious he knows spins matter and that's why he got level 4's on his spins. And why his step sequences weren't below level 3. And he had choreo and everything. The total package. Acting like plushenko got level 1 spins or his spins got no points is ludicrous.
Chan and plushenko do have a history but plushenko is not alone here! Other skaters past and present are saying the same thing. Weir could compete against Chan too and he said the same thing!
"Nature is a damp, inconvenient sort of place where birds and animals wander about uncooked."
from Speedy Death
Plush may talk up jumps because its what he does best too.
Are you sure that's his idea of skating? I remember reading an article where Plushenko criticized Joubert beating Lambiel in 2004, saying that Lambiel does everything better than Joubert. I also remember Mishin calling Kozuka "wonderful"...The thing is Plushenko maybe is all about jumps because its what he can do best and his age. Back when he was coming up it was all important.
But I wouldn't assume he can't appreciate others, he's praised Chan's skating in the past.
As for Chan being the complete skater, I don't see him as that. When he skates well, but I don't think programs that constantly have multiple major errors is a sign of "completeness"
I wouldn't call Plushenko a good sport at all. But you know what, Chan isn't either. Saying he is on record saying Dennis made the same amount of mistakes as him, and he best Dennis is "kicking himself"