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    It is strange to keep hearing Schuba did mostly only singles in her free skate, as she was capable of doing all the double jumps other than the double axel, and had done so at Europeans before the Games. This suggest her free skate wasnt her best even for her own moderate standards, or she purposely scaled back to avoid any possible disaester and still be sure of winning. Sonja Morgenstern must have made an impressive debut, she was 3rd in free skating, and even took two 1st place votes in the free skate. I have seen some footage of her and she could do triples which were rare then. However she seemed to dissapear from there, I wonder what happened, she was young enough you would think she would have been the heir apparent to be the next German World Champion and Olympic medalist.

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    /\ I already posted a detailed and accurate pbp of what Trixie actually did in her Olympic LP earlier in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Sonja Morgenstern must have made an impressive debut, she was 3rd in free skating, and even took two 1st place votes in the free skate. I have seen some footage of her and she could do triples which were rare then. However she seemed to dissapear from there, I wonder what happened, she was young enough you would think she would have been the heir apparent to be the next German World Champion and Olympic medalist.
    Sonja Morgenstern (who was coached by Jutta Müller) actually included a 3S in her free program at the 1972 Olympics. Her 3rd place in the FS moved her up from 8th after the compulsories, to 6th overall. At this point, she was the East German number 1 (having won the East German Championships 2 years in a row), although Christine Errath posed a very serious threat to her in that respect. Errath finished 5th in the FP at the 72 Olympics, which moved her up from 11th in the compulsories to 8th overall. Because the two of them were so closely matched, with Morgenstern having a slight advantage, their rivalry was a notable one at the time. Morgenstern was in with a very good chance of going on to win the 1976 Olympics. However, she was forced to retire at the end of the 1972/73 season due to injury. Instead, therefore, it was her rival, Christine Errath, who would go on to win the 1974 World Championships and finish 3rd at the 1976 Olympics. Given that Morgenstern invariably had the upper hand over Errath due to her free skating ability and better compulsories, its undoubtedly the case that Morgenstern would have stood a very good chance of becoming a world and Olympic champion given what Errath herself achieved, had she not been forced to retire prematurely. With Morgenstern capable of performing triple jumps, Dorothy Hamill instead became the last ladies singles skater to win the Olympics without a triple jump. By 1976, the value contributed by compulsories had been reduced from 50% at the 1972 Olympics, to just 30%. A short program had also been introduced, which made up 20% of the marks. The free program contributed 50%. Hence, the ability to regularly produce triple jumps would have given Morgenstern a significant advantage, and she therefore would most certainly have been in in with a major chance of taking the 1976 Olympic title.

    These days, Christine Errath is a well known TV presenter in Germany.

    Morgenstern became a teacher, and then a beautician, after her retirement. She was also briefly a coach, coaching Stefan Lindemann. After German reunification, she was shocked and very upset to discover that like Katerina Witt, she had been subjected to some very intrusive surveillance by the Stasi

    Here are some photographs from various points in Morgenstern's skating career
    Last edited by Maofan7; 03-23-2013 at 05:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazmeen View Post
    I have a copy of and have read Janet's book; she is a VERY religious Christian and views her life as devoted to God. The only spotlight she has ever been comfortable in is the one on the ice where she could express her joy and love incredibly. And she viewed her skating as a both a gift from and to God. She prefers to live a quiet existence around her family. She's not rude, just very reserved.
    There's a difference between saying "Person X is a rude person" and "Behavior Y is rude behavior."

    Let's say I have a friend named Jack, who is in general a very nice person. One day, I invite Jack over to my house for a meal. At the dinner table, Jack frequently talks with his mouth full, and doesn't cover his mouth when he sneezes. Does this automatically make Jack a rude person? No. But I think most people would consider that to be rude behavior, or at least a lack of manners. Is it intentional? Probably not. Jack probably just doesn't know any better. But people who don't really know him may be turned off by his behavior and get the wrong impression. That's all I'm saying.

    Anyway, 1972 Olympics sounds like it was an interesting competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    Janet never considered herself the star.

    Rather, God working through her, allowed her to share the gift He gave her with the world; for His purposes.
    And that's something I really respect about Janet. Modesty seems to be a rare commodity in competitive sports, among celebrities, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIronLady View Post
    Did Trixie Schuba feel like Patrick Chan does when everybody complains about him winning?
    Trixi never fell in her figures, though! Solid as a rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maofan7 View Post
    However, [Morgenstern] was forced to retire at the end of the 1972/73 season due to injury.
    That's too bad. What was her specific injury? Did she go to '73 Worlds at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manleywoman View Post
    Yes, twice. The first time she said at the moment she prefers to write her thoughts down on paper than give interviews. I can understand that. But she said to contact her again in the future. The second time she didn't respond. But I'll keep checking in with her every once in a while in the hopes she'll agree. I'd love to giver her a platform on which she can express her views.
    Any of chance of an interview with Trixi Schuba? I think that would be fascinating.
    "I hit him with my shoes... if he had given me the medal like I told him to, I wouldn't have had to hit him!" -- 8-year-old Rhoda Penmark in "The Bad Seed"

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    Thanks for the interesting thread !

    All the marks from the result page is quite conufing at first.

    I'm just realising my ignorance.. so if I get it correctly, at that time it was the score that counted, not the ranks.
    Bit like nowadays' system.
    Interestingly, you could tie skaters ! Like the japanese judge awarding 5.7+5.7 twice, ranking two skaters at '4.5'.

    When was the 6.0 system introduced ? I mean, the one with only ranking counting. Was it at the end of figures ?

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    another question : how were the compulsories split over two days ? how many times did you have to repeat a pattern ?

    (forget first part of the question, it was all written ^^)
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    Skatak, factored placements were introduced after the 1980 season. An interesting change that, had it been implemented 12 month earlier, would have given OGM's to Jan Hoffmann and Linda Fratianne! The figures were over two days because it was simply impossible to get through all six figures for all competitors in one day. When figures were reduced from six to three, they were held on a single day.

    Neptune, Sonja Morgenstern did go to Worlds in 1973 but she was not fully recovered from a leg injury and finished 8th overall. It is a shame as the new SP would also have greatly helped her had she been in form.

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    Thanks largely to this thread, I have made a montage of the career of Ondrej Nepela. He really must be one of the least known Olympic champions so it's about time he got a bit of publicity.

    Thread and videos can be found here. Maofan7 if you want to cross reference the video to your original post, please go ahead

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...83#post3883283

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    Quote Originally Posted by floskate View Post
    Thanks largely to this thread, I have made a montage of the career of Ondrej Nepela. He really must be one of the least known Olympic champions so it's about time he got a bit of publicity.
    Thank you so much Floskate and what a superb montage (which can be found in Floskate's thread here). I wish I knew how to produce a video as professionally as that. I must give it a try some time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maofan7 View Post
    These days, Christine Errath is a well known TV presenter in Germany. Morgenstern became a teacher, and then a beautician, after her retiremen. She was also briefly a coach, coaching Stefan Lindemann. After German reunification, she was shocked and very upset to discover that like Katerina Witt, she had been subjected to some very intrusive surveillance by the Stasi
    I picture East Germany as not having many beauticians but lots of shoddy curling irons and hair dryers. Were they state owned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrellH View Post
    She is supposedly a very quiet person.
    Janet is outspoken on a range of issues in skating today, particularly concerning IJS, USFS "Moves in the Field" tests, what constitutes good coaching, etc.

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    Re: Trixie Schuba, I Would love to interview her. There are a lot of skaters from that era I'd love to interview: Scott Allen, Tim Wood, Manfred Schnelldorfer, etc. If I had time to do one interview per week instead of per month, I still couldn't get to everyone!

    Floskate: I'd love it (and think it would be a useful resource for others) if you could do a detailed blog post on the history of skating judging. How it evolved, how it worked, etc.
    In my spare time, I like to interview figure skating legends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floskate View Post
    Maofan7 do you have any links or transcripts for the descriptions of Schuba's freeskate? This is what she actually did:

    flying camel, forward scratch, 2f, 1r, 2z, layback, steps and a bit of naff choreo, 1x, flying sit, split 2t combo, 2s, 1x, camel to upright (slow), wafting into spreadeagle, 2t, flying camel about 2 revs, 2z, half flip-1.5flip-3turn-mazurka-2flip combo, 2t, flying sit to scratch. She popped the loop but otherwise skated better with cleaner jumps than in Gothenburg. The skaters who beat her in the free were all renowned free skaters: Lynn, Magnussen, Morgenstern, Almassy, Errath and Trapanese. All bar Trapanese regularly did two double axels and Morgenstern also had the triple sal. Her placement was absolutely correct but she didn't skate all that badly. If only she had done the double axels she could do in practice, Schuba might have been regarded quite differently by skating history.
    It sounds like the assessment she did mostly single jumps that day is unfair as it looks like she did mostly doubles. Why didnt she do the double axels in competition if she did them in practice? It wasnt like she had to worry about losing her lead even if she fell. In a situation with no pressure I would think she would want to show her best, even in free skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manleywoman View Post
    Re: Trixie Schuba, I Would love to interview her. There are a lot of skaters from that era I'd love to interview: Scott Allen, Tim Wood, Manfred Schnelldorfer, etc. If I had time to do one interview per week instead of per month, I still couldn't get to everyone!

    Floskate: I'd love it (and think it would be a useful resource for others) if you could do a detailed blog post on the history of skating judging. How it evolved, how it worked, etc.
    OMG do you mean a blog or a book? That's a big topic right there. I still don't fully understand total points, despite hours pouring over marks to try and decipher which judge put which skater where And you sooo should interview Trixie Schuba. In fact I'd say there's a lot of untapped skating interview potential over here in Europe!

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    Sports Illustrated article on the 1970 U.S. Nationals, which focuses on many of the American skaters who would compete at the Olympics 2 years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maofan7 View Post
    Sports Illustrated article on the 1970 U.S. Nationals, which focuses on many of the American skaters who would compete at the Olympics 2 years later.
    Meow.

    Since this thread began, I have been wondering what happened to Sukairin? Wikipdedia gives slightly different info in English, Russian and French... It seems he coached Selezneya and Makarov and Bushkrov. Any good links or leads?

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