View Poll Results: Best and worst career out of Chan, Lambiel, Joubert, Lysacek, Tak

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  • Chan best career, Lysacek worst

    29 14.01%
  • Chan best career, Joubert worst

    32 15.46%
  • Chan best career, Takahashi worst

    7 3.38%
  • Lambiel best career, Lysacek worst

    31 14.98%
  • Lambiel best career, Joubert worst

    12 5.80%
  • Lambiel best career, Takahashi worst

    4 1.93%
  • Takahashi best career, Lysacek worst

    32 15.46%
  • Takahashi best career, Joubert worst

    5 2.42%
  • Lysacek best career, Takahashi or Lambiel worst

    8 3.86%
  • Lysacek best career, Joubert worst

    31 14.98%
  • Joubert best career, Takahashi or Lambiel worst

    2 0.97%
  • Joubert best career, Lysacek worst

    14 6.76%
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    Quote Originally Posted by shady82 View Post
    In terms of 'Career', the ranking is Chan, Lysacek, Lambiel, Takahashi, and Joubert. In terms of delivery (actual performances, skating level, and should-be titles rather than official titles), Lysacek and Takahashi should swap spots.
    I would say almost the same thing but instead stay in terms of career and just official results/achievements the ranking is Chan, Lambiel, Lysacek, Joubert, Takahashi, but in terms of delivery (actual performances, skating level, and should-be titles rather than official titles) Lysacek and Takahashi should swap spots.

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    I am curious to those who honestly think Lysacek has had a better career than Chan (god knows how anyone thinks that) would you also consider Hanyu to have a better career than Chan if he wins the upcoming worlds. He has already basically achieved everything Evan has if he wins there, so by that logic he must have as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimGOAT View Post
    I am curious to those who honestly think Lysacek has had a better career than Chan (god knows how anyone thinks that) would you also consider Hanyu to have a better career than Chan if he wins the upcoming worlds. He has already basically achieved everything Evan has if he wins there, so by that logic he must have as well.

    Yes, I would do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimGOAT View Post
    I am curious to those who honestly think Lysacek has had a better career than Chan (god knows how anyone thinks that) would you also consider Hanyu to have a better career than Chan if he wins the upcoming worlds. He has already basically achieved everything Evan has if he wins there, so by that logic he must have as well.
    I can't believe I actually would put Lysacek possibly last in delivery, because nothing he produced was really that remarkable. Joubert at least had the quad.

    Hanyu with one of the best careers, taking advantage of a likely weak post-Olympic Worlds, an Olympic gold with two falls, and gifted PCS this season.

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    Is Joubert that memorable either? I mean other than his looks lol. I guess The Matrix was okay in a gimmicky way but I honestly feel like he needed the quads to make up for the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moviechicko_o View Post
    Is Joubert that memorable either? I mean other than his looks lol. I guess The Matrix was okay in a gimmicky way but I honestly feel like he needed the quads to make up for the rest.
    I originally had Joubert last in both of my rankings but think Lysacek can make a decent case in terms of overall delivery. I agree, Joubert hits the quads and produces a lot of power from his blades, but the rest of his skater is relatively simple and unsophisticated compared to those who rank above him. He could only win gold when his contenders didn't produce. Even when he won in 2007, a flawed Takahashi and Lambiel beat him in the free.

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    My point in referencing Hanyu was to show how ridiculous it is IMO to even suggest Lysacek had a better career, even purely results wise, than Chan, just due to the Olympic Gold. If you say that about him you would have to say that about Hanyu if he wins worlds since Hanyu's career is already equal to Evan's if he wins worlds. What would the differences be, Evan would have 1 more world bronze, Hanyu would have a world junior title which Evan never won even in 3 tries, and better showings and more appearances at the grand prix final. Of course most would say it is ridiculous to say Hanyu has a better career than Chan already even if he wins worlds, and that is my point, if it is ridiculous for him, it is also ridiculous to say for Evan.
    Last edited by KimGOAT; 03-13-2014 at 12:34 AM.

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    Well, I think you could also take into account that Lysacek had almost all his success in the easiest quad of the last few quads (06-10). It's kinda sad to even mention this but had Plushenko not staged his last minute comeback that year, Lyscaek would've been 10+ points ahead of the rest of the field there. That field was basically a bunch of great champions past their prime and some very young upstarts.

    Either way, Chan's 3 world titles is a bigger accomplishment than Lysacek's world and Olympic title within in the same year. 3 years in a row shows dominance, even if he didn't deserve 2/3 of them, the judges still saw something in him that persuaded them to gift him so many times so he's certainly had a bigger influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady82 View Post
    I originally had Joubert last in both of my rankings but think Lysacek can make a decent case in terms of overall delivery. I agree, Joubert hits the quads and produces a lot of power from his blades, but the rest of his skater is relatively simple and unsophisticated compared to those who rank above him. He could only win gold when his contenders didn't produce. Even when he won in 2007, a flawed Takahashi and Lambiel beat him in the free.
    Is being memorable only about having the most complicated and sophisticated choreo? Yagudin's Winter is very memorable, and it's neither - for that matter, most of his programs were not complex and sophisticated (and he had a better career than all the guys in this poll). I think being a charismatic performer can also make a skater popular and memorable.

    Re 2007 Worlds, Joubert suffered a foot injury a month earlier and had tendon and ligament damage - he lost training time and couldn't train certain jumps before leaving for Worlds. He did the most difficult program he could given his condition, and did it well (IIRC, with no negative GOEs). Also, I think that had he skated cleanly in 2009, he'd have won gold even if the other contenders did produce. But he didn't, so it doesn't matter.

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    Yeah Joubert would have won with all going clean in 2009 perhaps, but that was in a field without Lambiel and Takahashi who both had to take the year off due to injury (and Plushenko but he was retired at that point so I wont count him).

    I dont think Joubert is as good an all around skater as these others. His spins and footwork were not that impressive, his programs were relatively easy between the elements with tons of two footed skating and dance movements or stroking, and his artistry was substandard. However I might still put him above Evan also, since even if Evan is probably more all around, Evan isnt great at anything while Brian is atleast a great jumper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady82 View Post
    Hanyu with one of the best careers, taking advantage of a likely weak post-Olympic Worlds, an Olympic gold with two falls, and gifted PCS this season.
    Just another point on Hanyu. While I only brought him up to show how crazy it is to even think of Evan having a better chan Patrick, if Hanyu wins the post Olympics worlds with an exceptional performance the field will mean nothing as far as devaluing his win there. After all if he skated perfectly with his current difficulty and technical ability, nobody even in a full field would have beaten him, including Chan.

    Even his Olympic winning competition wasnt bad when you factor in his absolutely incredible short program. He also would have still beaten Evan of 2010 in a head to head competition. Maybe losing the LP by a bit (although his LP was scored 13 points higher than Evan in Vancouver) but winning the SP by so much it wouldnt matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemgirl View Post
    Is being memorable only about having the most complicated and sophisticated choreo? Yagudin's Winter is very memorable, and it's neither - for that matter, most of his programs were not complex and sophisticated (and he had a better career than all the guys in this poll). I think being a charismatic performer can also make a skater popular and memorable.

    Re 2007 Worlds, Joubert suffered a foot injury a month earlier and had tendon and ligament damage - he lost training time and couldn't train certain jumps before leaving for Worlds. He did the most difficult program he could given his condition, and did it well (IIRC, with no negative GOEs). Also, I think that had he skated cleanly in 2009, he'd have won gold even if the other contenders did produce. But he didn't, so it doesn't matter.
    Yagudin's programs are predictably simpler compared to those on the poll here since he competed under 6.0. He wasn't subjected to CoP demands. His programs are still at a higher level than those of the competitors who finished directly below him (e.g. Eldredge, Goebel).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimGOAT View Post
    Even his Olympic winning competition wasnt bad when you factor in his absolutely incredible short program. He also would have still beaten Evan of 2010 in a head to head competition. Maybe losing the LP by a bit (although his LP was scored 13 points higher than Evan in Vancouver) but winning the SP by so much it wouldnt matter.
    So many performance sets could beat Evan's though. Even Takahashi's performances at Worlds in 2010 would have easily won gold in Torino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady82 View Post
    So many performance sets could beat Evan's though. Even Takahashi's performances at Worlds in 2010 would have easily won gold in Torino.
    That is true. In fact ever set of world title winning performances from 2006-2014, minus maybe Chan in 2013, would have beaten Evan for the 2010 Oly gold.

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    How does Hanyu now compare to them? I would rank them as:

    1. Hanyu
    2. Chan
    3. Lambiel
    4. Takahashi
    5. Lysacek
    6. Joubert

    in terms of best careers. Best skaters though would be:

    1. Chan
    2. Lambiel
    3. Takahashi
    4. Hanyu
    5. Joubert
    6. Lysacek

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    I cant believe 36 people think Lysacek had the best career. I didnt realize he had so many votes until now. Just wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimGOAT View Post
    I cant believe 36 people think Lysacek had the best career. I didnt realize he had so many votes until now. Just wow.
    He also has a lot of "worst" votes too though. Pretty much tells you who values the OGM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moviechicko_o View Post
    He also has a lot of "worst" votes too though. Pretty much tells you who values the OGM.
    I dont think he is the worst either. Joubert or Takahashi is the worst. Chan, Hanyu, and probably Lambiel all had better careers than Lysacek, but I could see arguing Lambiel. So Evan is both way overrated and way underrated in the same poll.

    I notice now Takahashi also has 36 best career votes. That is even crazier. Chan and maybe Lambiel are the only ones who should get any votes.

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    I give out the following points:

    Olympic gold- 4 points
    Olympic silver- 3 points
    Olympic bronze- 1 point

    World gold- 1 point

    the rest- hard to say, less than 1 though

    Chan is the easy winner of this group. Lambiel collects 5 points from Olympic medals/world titles just like Evan. Since they both have 4 Olympic/world medals and Lambiel has an extra grand prix final title I give Lambiel the slight edge. Joubert probably 4th with his 6 world medals. Takahashi bringing up the rear in last place.

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    1. Chan
    2. Hanyu (since he seems to have entered the discussion)
    3. Lysacek/Lambiel (tied)
    5. Joubert
    6. Takahashi

    Just careers, nothing about skating ability neccessarily.

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