Chan best career, Lysacek worst
Chan best career, Joubert worst
Chan best career, Takahashi worst
Lambiel best career, Lysacek worst
Lambiel best career, Joubert worst
Lambiel best career, Takahashi worst
Takahashi best career, Lysacek worst
Takahashi best career, Joubert worst
Lysacek best career, Takahashi or Lambiel worst
Lysacek best career, Joubert worst
Joubert best career, Takahashi or Lambiel worst
Joubert best career, Lysacek worst
I am curious to those who honestly think Lysacek has had a better career than Chan (god knows how anyone thinks that) would you also consider Hanyu to have a better career than Chan if he wins the upcoming worlds. He has already basically achieved everything Evan has if he wins there, so by that logic he must have as well.
Hanyu with one of the best careers, taking advantage of a likely weak post-Olympic Worlds, an Olympic gold with two falls, and gifted PCS this season.
Is Joubert that memorable either? I mean other than his looks lol. I guess The Matrix was okay in a gimmicky way but I honestly feel like he needed the quads to make up for the rest.
My point in referencing Hanyu was to show how ridiculous it is IMO to even suggest Lysacek had a better career, even purely results wise, than Chan, just due to the Olympic Gold. If you say that about him you would have to say that about Hanyu if he wins worlds since Hanyu's career is already equal to Evan's if he wins worlds. What would the differences be, Evan would have 1 more world bronze, Hanyu would have a world junior title which Evan never won even in 3 tries, and better showings and more appearances at the grand prix final. Of course most would say it is ridiculous to say Hanyu has a better career than Chan already even if he wins worlds, and that is my point, if it is ridiculous for him, it is also ridiculous to say for Evan.
Last edited by KimGOAT; 03-13-2014 at 12:34 AM.
Well, I think you could also take into account that Lysacek had almost all his success in the easiest quad of the last few quads (06-10). It's kinda sad to even mention this but had Plushenko not staged his last minute comeback that year, Lyscaek would've been 10+ points ahead of the rest of the field there. That field was basically a bunch of great champions past their prime and some very young upstarts.
Either way, Chan's 3 world titles is a bigger accomplishment than Lysacek's world and Olympic title within in the same year. 3 years in a row shows dominance, even if he didn't deserve 2/3 of them, the judges still saw something in him that persuaded them to gift him so many times so he's certainly had a bigger influence.
Re 2007 Worlds, Joubert suffered a foot injury a month earlier and had tendon and ligament damage - he lost training time and couldn't train certain jumps before leaving for Worlds. He did the most difficult program he could given his condition, and did it well (IIRC, with no negative GOEs). Also, I think that had he skated cleanly in 2009, he'd have won gold even if the other contenders did produce. But he didn't, so it doesn't matter.
Yeah Joubert would have won with all going clean in 2009 perhaps, but that was in a field without Lambiel and Takahashi who both had to take the year off due to injury (and Plushenko but he was retired at that point so I wont count him).
I dont think Joubert is as good an all around skater as these others. His spins and footwork were not that impressive, his programs were relatively easy between the elements with tons of two footed skating and dance movements or stroking, and his artistry was substandard. However I might still put him above Evan also, since even if Evan is probably more all around, Evan isnt great at anything while Brian is atleast a great jumper.
Even his Olympic winning competition wasnt bad when you factor in his absolutely incredible short program. He also would have still beaten Evan of 2010 in a head to head competition. Maybe losing the LP by a bit (although his LP was scored 13 points higher than Evan in Vancouver) but winning the SP by so much it wouldnt matter.
How does Hanyu now compare to them? I would rank them as:
in terms of best careers. Best skaters though would be:
I cant believe 36 people think Lysacek had the best career. I didnt realize he had so many votes until now. Just wow.
I notice now Takahashi also has 36 best career votes. That is even crazier. Chan and maybe Lambiel are the only ones who should get any votes.
I give out the following points:
Olympic gold- 4 points
Olympic silver- 3 points
Olympic bronze- 1 point
World gold- 1 point
the rest- hard to say, less than 1 though
Chan is the easy winner of this group. Lambiel collects 5 points from Olympic medals/world titles just like Evan. Since they both have 4 Olympic/world medals and Lambiel has an extra grand prix final title I give Lambiel the slight edge. Joubert probably 4th with his 6 world medals. Takahashi bringing up the rear in last place.
2. Hanyu (since he seems to have entered the discussion)
3. Lysacek/Lambiel (tied)
Just careers, nothing about skating ability neccessarily.