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    Can Mao match or surpas Kwans 5 world titles, and can she win finally elusive Olympic

    Now that Mao seems to say she is continuing can she win 5 or 6 world titles and can she finally win her Olympic gold she so deserves in 2018. I think she can. She is skating better than ever, and she will only be 27 in 2018. There is also no way a Russian will be allowed to win the next Games in South Korea so she has a great shot there.

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    She can win the 2015 and 2016 worlds easily if she chooses to compete and hires a jump specialist to fix her huge < problem. After that will be harder, but that means she could get to 5 anyway. If she shows up at the 2018 Olympics and lands atleast 4 triples though, even if she isnt the best skater anymore, she will probably be given the gold to block any Russian from winning, unless some other non Russian great has emerged before then.

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    Mao could probably match Kwan's accomplishments, including in Olympic medals, but focusing on staying competitive is probably better than the OGM until she is at the actual Olympics.

    . . . but

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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    Mao could probably match Kwan's accomplishments, including in Olympic medals, but focusing on staying competitive is probably better than the OGM until she is at the actual Olympics.

    . . . but
    If Mao stays until 2018 and wins only the Olympic bronze I think she would be devastated so I hope she doesnt match Kwans achievements in the Olympic medals part. If she goes to 2018 it is because she badly wants gold and I hope she gets it. She is one of the greatest skaters in history and fully deserves it.

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    Can she? Absolutely!
    Will she? Highly doubtful.

    I love how you stress only 27! Please list for us the number of 27 year old ladies OGM.

    I also love how there is no way a Russian lady will win. Yeah, they only have all of the amazing young up-and-coming ladies.

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    I can see her possibly winning 1 more world title. Not so much 2.

    Where did she say that she's staying in? Did she announce it already? She said she'd rest after Worlds then decide

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    Quote Originally Posted by iarispiralllyof View Post
    Where did she say that she's staying in?
    Quote Originally Posted by staceyliving View Post
    Now that Mao seems to say she is continuing ...
    I think there's a reason this speculative discussion is in the skip

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    She can win 5 if she skates at the next 4 worlds. I dont think she will be dominant enough over the young crop to win every year she competes. She has too many issues with < and consistency, otherwise she could be. Yeah the next Olympics are a good chance. A Russian wont ever win the next Olympics after what they did to South Korea in Sochi, and I am not talking about Sotnikova who wont even be there, but any Russian will see that grudge against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usova94gold View Post
    She can win 5 if she skates at the next 4 worlds. I dont think she will be dominant enough over the young crop to win every year she competes. She has too many issues with < and consistency, otherwise she could be. Yeah the next Olympics are a good chance. A Russian wont ever win the next Olympics after what they did to South Korea in Sochi, and I am not talking about Sotnikova who wont even be there, but any Russian will see that grudge against them.
    People speak as if the judging panel will consist of nothing but korean judges, the actual judges would not give a damn about the results in sochi, and why should they. the crazy judging in sochi was more due to the judges sitting on the panel and putins present then the place the event was held in.

    The suspicious underrotation calls and low pcs Mao got during most of the season did not prevent Mao from dominating this season and the previous season as well.
    you say Mao is lacking consistency, ironically her results are some of the most consistent you will find not only in the ladies discipline but across all discipline, having won every ISU event she entered (except the olympics) this season, and having won every ISU event last season too except one competition (worlds) where she got bronze.
    so if consistency and results is the biggest complain, then her record shows more consistency and is more decorated then anyone else, as proven by her number 1 ranking.

    becoming more consistent then this would make her inhuman

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    Coming 3rd and 5th at the years biggest events isnt dominating, regardless of the rest of your season. I love Mao but her proneness to < calls, and inconsitency with the triple axel, will always be a concern. It doesnt mean she cant win, but it does make her vurnerable to being challenged as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Coming 3rd and 5th at the years biggest events isnt dominating, regardless of the rest of your season. I love Mao but her proneness to < calls, and inconsitency with the triple axel, will always be a concern. It doesnt mean she cant win, but it does make her vurnerable to being challenged as well.
    Mao won EVERYTHING this year except ONE competition and every ISU event last year except ONE competition. in the Olympics the event where she finished 6th she skated a historic free skate with 8 triples.
    Dominating never meant only winning one big competition but winning most big competitions. So to put it plain and simple when a skater collect more titles, records and are ranked as number 1 you know that person was dominating the season, no matter how you try to deny it. I love that you mention her axel, because you make it sound as if other girls are landing 3A's left and right, she is and remains the only one attempting and landing them in competition.
    I agree that everyone can be challenged, and can never be safe, the ice is slippery the skater can make mistakes the judges can suddenly give crazy marks left and right, injuries can occur but that has always been the case, no new challenges and threats she hasn't faced before.
    Last edited by Amy03; 04-13-2014 at 09:54 PM.

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    It is obvious you are a Maobot of the worst kind so I wont even bother with you, other than putting you on my ignore list. I do love Mao and if she continues I hope her all the success she can find, and if she won her 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th world titles, and OGM I will be thrilled. However to deny she has issues with < and triple axel consistency that leave the door potentially open for her competitors, especialy a group of hungry Russians, is more than a little delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    It is obvious you are a Maobot of the worst kind so I wont even bother with you, other than putting you on my ignore list. I do love Mao and if she continues I hope her all the success she can find, and if she won her 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th world titles, and OGM I will be thrilled. However to deny she has issues with < and triple axel consistency that leave the door potentially open for her competitors, especialy a group of hungry Russians, is more than a little delusional.
    so I'm Maobot of the worst kind because I was kind enough to remind you of her record and accomplishment, okay makes perfect sense, and to set things straight I never denied the threats or the group of hungry Russians and in fact agreed with you on that part, maybe you should read my post carefully before you accuse me of saying something I didn't say!

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    She could win two more world titles but I don't see her winning the 2018 Olympics. The younger skaters are too strong, and I don't see her jumps improving. This is coming from a huge Mao fan (and a huge Michelle fan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    She could win two more world titles but I don't see her winning the 2018 Olympics. The younger skaters are too strong, and I don't see her jumps improving. This is coming from a huge Mao fan (and a huge Michelle fan).
    I could see her improving some of her jumps if she goes to a jump specialist of sorts. I am not sure who that is. I think she needs to attack the 3axel like she does her 2axel, and if she does that it will come off alot better. She has a huge and beautiful 2axel, but she approaches her 3axel so cautiously. She also needs to work on the couple triples she is vurnerable to < on (outside the 3axel).

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    ... However to deny she has issues with < and triple axel consistency that leave the door potentially open for her competitors, especialy a group of hungry Russians, is more than a little delusional.
    Maybe somebody plans on feedings the Russians a single cheeseburger from the McDonald's value menu so they lose all their jumps

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    What is difficult to envision for me is the idea that Mao would be able to, in her 3rd quad, match what Kim (a superior competitor) did in her first 2 quads (2 world titles and an Olympic gold). Of course, there are the rare female skaters like Suzuki and Kostner who seemed to peak at a later age, but Asada has been a prodigy from day one...can she get even better?

    Sure, she may have proved her general consistency this past season, but then there's the disaster skate like the sp at the Olympics.
    I'm a HUGE fan btw and wish her the best.

    Btw her hardest layout ever was actually in 2007. 2 triple triples AND a triple axel


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    Although the source was kinda Japanese yellow paper, I read an interview with RA. He said Mao is welcome if she wants to go back to him. It would be one of the best choices. But I assume she will not go back to him since she once said one of the reasons why she chose RA as a coach in her second season in senior field was no top ladies skater was under him. Now he works with Ashley.

    As we know she is a very hard worker. Her body didn't allow her to train as much as she wanted. She wanted to do 3As in her long program, and trained hard after NHK trophy. Her chronicle back pain went worse, and she could not get on the ice from after finishing Nationals to the first week of January. It affected her peeking and self-confidence. So how she'll manage to be in top form without working as hard as she used to will be a big issue for her, when she considers about continuing competing.Anyway if she decides to continue, the reason would be love for skating, not the medals. She was hungry for OGM till Vancouver Olys, but in the last quad she was just hungry for delivering her ideal programs such as long program in Sochi and short program in Saitama. So she can retire now if only she doesn't think throwing away her reworked skating is MOTTAINAI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amy03 View Post
    Mao won EVERYTHING this year except ONE competition and every ISU event last year except ONE competition.
    But it's not as if Mao won very competitions with great skates. Ironically, her best skates of the season was at the Olympics, and it was her worst place ! (of course, had she skate a great SP, she would - and should - have been placed higher in the LP, IMO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    But it's not as if Mao won very competitions with great skates. Ironically, her best skates of the season was at the Olympics, and it was her worst place ! (of course, had she skate a great SP, she would - and should - have been placed higher in the LP, IMO).
    They were not only great skates, they were the main highlight during the season. Her program had everything, but if you preferred anyone else, that's your preferences
    The best freeskate may have been at the Olympics, but the best sp's were at Worlds and in the GPF.

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