View Poll Results: Would Denis Ten have medaled?

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  • Michelle Kwan

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    Under 6.0...

    Would some guy with his reputation in a terrible place from a country whose name most of the judges probably can't even spell have gotten as far as he did?

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    Yes I do think he would. Back to back great skates. I don't see why not. Still as 6.0 didn't resolve around underrotations as much who knows. Daisuke could have gone up.

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    What's sad is, Denis not only missed the flip but the toe (doubling rather than tripling), if he had only rotated one of them, he would have won... regardless... I voted for the Kween!!!

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    Doubling a jump understood the 6.0 system in the freeskate was not a mistake, and having more content than others would have given a skater a higher base than others.

    Michelle would have gotten 6.0s in the artistic marks because ... she skates from her core and has a less blocked chi than Patrick Chan.
    Last edited by bardtoob; 03-19-2013 at 03:10 AM.

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    Like, duh! Michelle Kwan!

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    He might have won under 6.0, since he didn't fall at all.

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    If there were any justice in the world, yes.

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    Politics aside, under 6.0 you could also consider

    Ten: 1.0 points for his SP and 1.0 for his FS = 2.0 points overall
    Chain: .5 points for his SP and 2.0 for his FS = 2.5 points overall

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    Yea, Denis would have won by virtue of winning the LP and being top three in the SP - thereby "controlling his destiny".

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    What about Over 6.0...?? Never thought of that case, did ya?

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    Denis is from Kazakstan. He wouldn't even be in top 5 in 6.0 system

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loves_Shizuka View Post
    Yea, Denis would have won by virtue of winning the LP and being top three in the SP - thereby "controlling his destiny".
    Under 6.0 do you think he would have been top 3 in the SP in the first place? I don't...

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    Yes because Kaz would get RUS bloc behind D10 by trading its vote in dance to help B/S (Bobrova Soloviev) win over D/W and V/M. So we'd be wuzrobbing over dance and not men's.
    I think I will have a snack and take a nap before I eat and go to sleep.

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    No because Patrick skated before Ten and judges had already given the 6.0 for him.

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    The real question is whether Denis would have placed top 3 after the SP under 6.0 (if they had continued with completely random draws in the 6.0 era)

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    Being coached by Frank C., I think he would have still been second in the short and won the long, therefore winning the whole thing. But would a kid from Kazakstan be coached by Frank under 6.0?

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    Not so familiar with 6.0. But I guess Ten would definately medal. However Ten's tech points would have been much lower than Chan's given that 6.0 values harder jumps more than CoP does. So it's hard to say whether or not he'd win under 6.0. I think probably not. Plushenko fell in SP in 2002 Olympics. But he was still placed in fourth place, a lot higher than many skaters who did not fall that day.

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    I love that Michelle is winning this poll...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CassAgain View Post
    But would a kid from Kazakstan be coached by Frank under 6.0?
    In 1976, it would have been as absurd as coaching a skater from China . . . but Frank did work with Chen Lu in the early 1990s until she was recalled to China.

    I think geopolitics would have prevented Frank from working with D10 more than anything else. In the Soviet Era, if D10's talent was recognized, he might have very well ended up with Mishin. D10 did train in Russia during the early part of his career.
    Last edited by bardtoob; 03-19-2013 at 03:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    In 1976, it would have been as absurd as coaching a skater from China . . . but Frank did work with Chen Lu in the early 1990s until she was recalled to China.

    I think geopolitics would have prevented Frank from working with D10 more than anything else. In the Soviet Era, if D10's talent was recognized, he might have very well ended up with Mishin. D10 did train in Russia during the early part of his career.
    I don't think you meant it that way, but that statement about Mishin comes across as Mishin was a second (or third?) rate coach. He did coach Plushenko to an OGM and 3 world titles, and Yagudin learned his jumps from Mishin, not from Tarasova.

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