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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    Wow, we're gonna see a bunch of doubles then- that will make the sport super exciting!
    Right, because we only saw doubles before the total IJSBS of partial credit for splatting on your behind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    If somebody falls 3 times but still presents the program brilliantly, why should they get deducted on the PE for example?
    It's extremely hard for me to imagine a 3 fall program that is "presented brilliantly," unless the goal of the program were to present ones behind wiping the ice.
    "I miss footwork that has any kind of a discernible pattern. The goal of a step sequence should not be for a skater to show the same ice coverage as a Zamboni and take about as much time as an ice resurface. " ~ Zemgirl, reflecting on a pre-IJS straight line sequence

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    Interesting thread indeed.
    The idea of factorising falls after several falls is interesting.
    The problem is that mass public don't understand why a program filled with several falls can still scores higher than a clean program. From a spectator point of view a fall is actually more disturbing than an underrotation. But the judgement system reward a triple or quad jump with a fall better than a underrotated jump (and I'm talking about a less than a half turn cheat, so a downgraded jump will be even more penalized even without a fall).

    IMO :
    - a fall should reflect more the disturbance it makes in a program than it is today.
    - But it also shouldn't discourage skaters to attempt hard jumps.

    What to do then ? Several possibilities :
    - as it has been said factorising falls depending on how many falls occur in a program, so that skaters can still attempt hard jumps since the fall won't cost much, but as soon as they have had a fall they should think of securinsing their attempts so that they can avoid losing points and therefore will skate cleaner programs.
    - falls could be penalized more severaly than today, but skaters could have the right to use an additional jump pass to try again. This possibility would really penalize falls and it also would allow to make enough clean jumps (thanks to the additional attempt) to compensate the falls and give a better look at the program.

    There might be limitations to these possibilities but for sure a review of rules need to be done if the ISU wants to keep the audience's interest for the sport.
    Options should be tested on actual competitions results to see what it gives and how it is relevant or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Your proposal would result in nobody attempting jumps that aren't super consistent for them. Why risk a fall on a quad and zero points when you can do a triple jump worth several points instead?
    It could also result in a skater giving an incredible performance but losing the gold/other medal because of some freak error that shouldn't really matter much overall.
    In other words.... WIN!!!! I hate quads find most of them ugly and not worth the effort.
    I would also loosen up the number of elements a skater is allowed.
    And I'm willing to forgo penalties for falls on non-scoring elements...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    And I'm willing to forgo penalties for falls on non-scoring elements...
    Huh? Why should someone who falls over their own two feet not get a penalty? It's still just as disruptive.

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    Falls shouldn't be worth nothing. Otherwise you will have someone falling on a 3lutz and score nothing whereas someone else who telegraphs, takes off with wrong technique, has messy air position, lands on both feet, URs, puts both hands down and stumbles score a few points.

    The number of falls is not always directly related to how the flow of the program is disrupted. Some skaters fall and get right back up like it was nothing. And then you have someone like Asada at 2008 Worlds who falls once but spends a long while to get back up and into the program again.

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    Does anyone think that stumbles should be penalized more severely?

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    To the thread title:

    Single fall in a program - No

    Multi falls in a program - Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by BittyBug View Post
    Right, because we only saw doubles before the total IJSBS of partial credit for splatting on your behind.

    It's extremely hard for me to imagine a 3 fall program that is "presented brilliantly," unless the goal of the program were to present ones behind wiping the ice.

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