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    I don't think I would ever describe Gabrielle Daleman as lacking command on the ice. For that matter I wouldn't describe Julianne Seguin in that way either.

    Back to Amelie, I also really like Amelie's program. It's perfect for her style of skating. She clearly loves the program, too, which is a big plus.

    On an unrelated note, the two skaters at the Slovakia JGP had a bit of trouble. Marianne Rioux/Ouellet had a total score of 117.20 (vs. 139.65 at the Quebec Summer competition), and finished in 14th. She's listed as an alternate for the JGP in Estonia, but is unlikely to be sent after this result. Roxanne Cournoyer had a total score of 102.73 (vs. 115.65 at Quebec Summer and 120.85 at Liberty), and finished in 20th place. This was her only JGP assignment, so her next competition will be Souvenir Georges-Ethier. Scores for the JGP competition are here.

    Their skates at the Quebec Summer competition were better, and worth watching in preference to their skates here. For Roxanne, I think this was her first internation competition. This was Marianne's first JGP assignment, but she also skated at the Lombardia Trophy last season, where she did very well.

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    It was choreographed by Shae-Lynn Bourne according to the Skate Canada News article.
    Thanks, ltnskater. Shae-Lynn did a terrific job for Lacoste. Love her choreo to death.
    I know some of the younger Canadian lady skaters can do more difficult jumps and are a little faster over the ice than Amelie but presentation wise, none of Daleman, Chartrand or Seguin is Olympic material - yet. By contrast, Lacoste is. Go Amélie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnskater View Post
    She doesn't have consistent enough triples to make going for a triple-triple combo in the long worth it. The only reason for a triple-triple/2A-triple combo for the long is to open up another jump window to get 7 triples in. I think the best plan for her is to repeat the 3Lo and 3S which takes up 4 jumping passes, along with a 3F, 3Lz, 2A-2A seq if she wants to keep the 3Lz in. If I were her, I would take out the 3Lz, do a 2A+2T combo and a solo 2A.
    I wrote about this in a prior thread and agree.

    Amelie should repeat the 3Lo (which she did in Salt Lake) and the 3S, train either the 3Lz or 3F (I'd say the latter, as she had some success with it) and do two 2As.

    This program, which is my favorite of the season so far, could score well with 5 clean triples because I think the choreography is brilliant and the jumps are backloaded. She seems to enjoy performing it as well.

    Amelie needs to also maximize the levels on her spins ... I didn't look at the protocol but the layback could gain a level, I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by all_empty View Post
    I wrote about this in a prior thread and agree.

    Amelie should repeat the 3Lo (which she did in Salt Lake) and the 3S, train either the 3Lz or 3F (I'd say the latter, as she had some success with it) and do two 2As.

    This program, which is my favorite of the season so far, could score well with 5 clean triples because I think the choreography is brilliant and the jumps are backloaded. She seems to enjoy performing it as well.

    Amelie needs to also maximize the levels on her spins ... I didn't look at the protocol but the layback could gain a level, I believe.
    Rather than doing two 2axels, I think she should bring back her 3toe. Its a beautiful jump for her (when she lands it). But definitely agree about her training either the 3lutz or the 3flip - probably the latter, since she doesn't get an edge call on it.

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    The protocols on icenetwork have the skater's planned content. Amelie was planning on

    3L-2L
    3S-3L
    3Lz
    3F
    2A
    3T
    3S-2L-2L

    In the competition, she probably accidentally added the 2L to her lutz and didn't repeat her salchow so she wouldnt have zayak'd. The loop is her money jump and she's bringing back her toe. Can someone determine her base value? I think the flip and after is the second half of the program with the bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icellist View Post
    The protocols on icenetwork have the skater's planned content. Amelie was planning on

    3L-2L
    3S-3L
    3Lz
    3F
    2A
    3T
    3S-2L-2L

    In the competition, she probably accidentally added the 2L to her lutz and didn't repeat her salchow so she wouldnt have zayak'd. The loop is her money jump and she's bringing back her toe. Can someone determine her base value? I think the flip and after is the second half of the program with the bonus.
    That's closer in line to her jump layout over the summer, where she missed every toe jump. It's overly ambitious and if she ever lands all of these in one program -- I'll even settle without the triple-triple -- I'll eat my words.

    But even in SLC, the Lutz was the second jumping pass.

    I think her strategy should be go clean with jumps she knows she can land (the 3Lo and 3S) and really master that 3F, then maybe the 3T. Is there not a jump specialist in Canada that can help her? Her picking technique has been all over the place (literally) her entire senior career.

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    Lacoste's long program is very elegant.

    However, to be competitive with the young jumping beans (and two of them ranked above her at Nationals last season), she needs to max out her point potential and not waste jumping passes on jumps she knows she can't do / will pop more often than not. She needs to take the Phaneuf route.

    Short program (in her own order): 3loop3loop, 3sal, 2axel

    Long program (in her own order): 3loop2loop, 3loop, 3sal2loop2loop, 3sal, 3lutz OR 3flip whichever is more happening for her, 3toe, 2axel - 2axel sequence

    She should forget about doing both lutz and flip when she is able to land both only once in a blue moon. She should go conservative, do her 'clean' 5 triple long with 2 2axels, hopefully score big on PCS, and wait for the jumping beans to mess up their tricks. That to me is her only way to go to Sochi. She doesn't quite have it in her to out jump her competiters or even up the ante for herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Lacoste's long program is very elegant.

    However, to be competitive with the young jumping beans (and two of them ranked above her at Nationals last season), she needs to max out her point potential and not waste jumping passes on jumps she knows she can't do / will pop more often than not. She needs to take the Phaneuf route.

    Short program (in her own order): 3loop3loop, 3sal, 2axel

    Long program (in her own order): 3loop2loop, 3loop, 3sal2loop2loop, 3sal, 3lutz OR 3flip whichever is more happening for her, 3toe, 2axel - 2axel sequence

    She should forget about doing both lutz and flip when she is able to land both only once in a blue moon. She should go conservative, do her 'clean' 5 triple long with 2 2axels, hopefully score big on PCS, and wait for the jumping beans to mess up their tricks. That to me is her only way to go to Sochi. She doesn't quite have it in her to out jump her competiters or even up the ante for herself.

    Agree with most of what you say but the her toe loop is even more inconsistent than the flip. Her toe loop and lutz are equally bad and the flip is by far the most consistent of the jumps involving a toe pick. Her main problem is her picking technique in general. I know her flip is not that consistent but it is in far better shape than her other toe picking jumps.

    She would be better off doing 2 double axels ( one in combination with 2 double loops ) and drop the 3 toe in the FS layout. The triple salchow combination would only have one double loop.

    I think the three jump combo would work better with the double axel than the salchow as her salchow is not quite as strong as the loop or the axel ( but still way better than any of the toe-picked jumps )
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    I'm wondering if the word from Skate Canada is that they want to see her trying the Lutz. When she was required to do a skate off with Phaneuf to get to worlds I'm thinking she was either specifically told, or just assumed, that she needed the Lutz to be considered. That is the only reason I can think that she keeps trying it.
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    Amelie will be 25 in December. If she hasn't mastered the lutz by now, it isn't going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euterpe View Post
    Amelie will be 25 in December. If she hasn't mastered the lutz by now, it isn't going to happen.
    Exactly, and she must know this. That is why I am wondering if there is some other reason she keeps trying it. She is just throwing away points.
    A good rant is cathartic. Ranting is what keeps me sane. They always come from a different place. Take the prime minister, for example. Sometimes when I rant about him, I am angry; other times, I am just severely annoyed - it's an important distinction. - Rick Mercer

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    Kudos to Shae-Lynn - that FD is lovely. Hope Lacoste can pull it off.

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    Link to Daleman SP in JGP Poland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4t3M-lN-KI
    Link to Delaurier SP in JSP Poland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkLmsvSTzP4

    Good for Delaurier to get the experience that was not available to the Canadian Ladies the last few years.

    Daleman has good speed and the choreography is ok. If she can just control the energy and realise she doesn't have to try so hard she will do much better. Also, maybe it is just early in the season for her, but the skating looks too choreographed and not mch flow to the program. Content is good though.

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    Daleman does have good speed, but that music is, IMHO, horrible. Very repetitive. I guess they are trying to give her a more mature look but I'm not sure it is doing her any favours. She does have lovely jumps and I suspect the errors were just a combination of it being early in the season and nerves.
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    Daleman got the bronze at JGP Poland!

    http://youtu.be/gXiG-XBeBJE

    Not her best skate but she broke 100 points.

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    Julianne Delaurier's free program from Gdansk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNRHhtqEvk.

    Orher than the double axels, it was a good debut IMO, especially considering the nosebleed.

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    Veronik Mallet seems to have had a great SP at Nebelhorn - 55.79!! This is a great debut for her and puts her right in the mix!

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    I agree, very impressive by Mallet! I think that Mallet and Sandrine Martin are the two best pleasant surprises for me this season, as they've both shown huge improvement from last season. Interesting that both are coached by Annie Barabe, as it's been a long time since Barabe has had any fresh talent and now all of a sudden she has two exciting young skaters. Hope Mallet can keep the momentum going in the free.
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    Madelyn Dunley had a strong debut SP at the JGP in Belarus, in third place so far with a score of 50.60 and two spots ahead of Alaine Chartrand, who matched her score from her previous JGP of 49.60.

    Here's Dunley's SP:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxoW3...IwotCt2JGySfJA

    Looks like a clean program with a triple sal-triple toe and triple loop, although I suspect there may have been at least one underrotation judging by her score (it is hard to tell because the video is a bit blurry in parts). Even so, it was a very solid program all around and I can see why Skate Canada assigned her to a second JGP.

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    Here's Dunley's SP http://youtu.be/RxoW3poK7ns

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