Last edited by hanca; 04-14-2013 at 12:12 PM.
Besides i don't think the individual events will suffer. There is to much history to put the team Gold on the same level as say the Ladies event. I do worry though if a big name skater gets hurt in the team competition. Then there will be hell to pay.
Last edited by Jammers; 04-14-2013 at 04:24 PM.
The only thing i don't like about it is the timing. The team competition needed to be after the individual events. WTF is Speedy thinking?
It wasn't the ISU's or Cinquanta's decision: http://www.icenetwork.com/news/artic...&vkey=ice_news
According to Dore, the ISU considered holding the team event at the end of the Games, after figure skating had concluded. NBC, the U.S. television rights holder, wanted to stick with tradition and broadcast the ladies discipline as the final event.
"You're fighting television contracts, and ladies is the big thing," Dore said. "U.S. television is the biggest monetary contributor to the IOC."
"Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden
This year in WTT, Japan received no points in Pairs, and, as we've learned, 7 is better than 0: here it was the difference between bronze and one point out of gold position. If R/R and T/K don't compete, Japan could have the best singles and still not be in contention for a medal, let alone make the final. If they earn points toward qualifying for the final and/or the podium, they will have done their job to earn that placement, even if they end up last.
Japan is unlikely to medal, though, unless T/K become very, very good in a very short time.
Last edited by kwanfan1818; 04-15-2013 at 08:32 AM.
"The team doesn't get automatic capacity because management is mad" -- Greg Smith, agile guy
Keep in mind WTT has more emphasis on singles. Japan will not be in as strong of a position at the Olympics when the disciplines have equal weight.
Yes, but it still leaves door open for three entries making up for the fourth weak entry and the weak entry getting undeserved medal. Until now the Olympic medal meant something. It meant that you are a pretty decent skater if you earned Olympic medal. But with the team event, it will mean that others can earn it for you and your skills/ability may be just around 20th place at worlds.
Italy is the only nation that doesn't host a GP that has the best chance to gain one of those two spots, if Kostner skates well in the SP (assuming she will skate the SP). The GP nations are pretty much guaranteed to be one of the ten teams in the event, and the team event shouldn't have any impact on GP picks.
It's back to the famous life saving story, that a great swimmer goes to save a drowning person, who fights the rescuer, and the rescuer has to go to the bottom and push off, ever, and over. Exhausted, he gets close to the edge but can't make it, and an old person extends a cane and pulls them both to dock. The save doesn't happen without every piece in place.
Last edited by kwanfan1818; 04-14-2013 at 07:51 PM.
"The team doesn't get automatic capacity because management is mad" -- Greg Smith, agile guy
The ISU needed to stick to it's guns and say the team competition will be at the end of the Olympic Games. What was NBC going to do bail on them? Highly unlikely with all that money they paid to broadcast the games.
I found this interview with Adelina Sotnikova on WTT, the past season and future plans linked below the article on V/T very interesting: http://fsrussia.ru/news/560_adelina-...a-i-podvelo--/. I tried to translate the questions and the answers she gave:
- Adelina, is always difficult to skate last, in particular skate last at the team competition.
- Lately, it's my favorite number.
- Did excitement prevent a clean skate?
- Today surprisingly I didn’t worry and become upset. Possibly this calmness didn`t help. I went on the ice very calm and confident. But obviously something went wrong. We will analyze what was it. Why did it happen? I’m not satisfied with my skate. Though it was not the worst, it could have been better. A lot better.
- But you fought till the end.
- Of course I fought and kept on trying. If I had not tried that after the fall, I skated even worse.
- What did your coach say after your skate?
- She was very upset, because she knew that today in training I did everything perfectly. Also in the warm-up this time. But suddenly I fell because of some nonsense. Of course my coach wants to understand why this happens. Why the short program was perfect, but the long one didn`t work.
- Yesterday the Captain of our team, Maxim Trankov, openly admitted that again the whole burden is on the shoulders of our girls.
- Yes, it was like that. But I tried not to think about it that we had to bear all the responsibility and that the result of the world team trophy actually depended on us.
- You participated the 2nd time in this competition. When was it more difficult?
- In the past year. This year I was very calm, actually I’m still shocked, how calm I was.
- If you assess the results of this season, what mark would you give to yourself on a ten-part scale?
- I would give myself a four, maybe a three, as I might have skated better and won steadily. For example at the Grand Prix. This year I didn’t reach the Grand Prix Final. The best competition was the European Championships. I won the short program and placed 2nd in Zagreb.
- You gained experience.
- Yes, that is experience. However, in the pre-olympic season it was necessary to present myself at the best. But in the end I could do that somewhere, somewhere else not. Now next season I need to skate everywhere perfectly.
- Do you know you further plans for work?
- Now I need to go home. I need to pass exams, ЕГЭ (Единый государственный экзамен – that’s probably similar to a-levels?) After that we will think about music, programmes. How they will look like, which emotions, pictures, presentation …
- Were these competitions very much emotionally draining?
- To go on the ice after Akiko, when there was such a noise, which hit my ears like a drum. that was very difficult. It is not easy to skate after a Japanese girl in Japan.
- Is it in general difficult to attend the competition all day to cheer for your teammates?
- It was the same last year. I worried and survived. I was good that I didn’t watch Kostia yesterday. If I had seen his fall, then I probably would have totally shivered today. In fact this is terrible. You skate your free program, fall and … it’s such a pity. Our whole team supports him. Today we tried to arrange that Kostia didn`t pay attention to his arm, so that it was easier for him to overcome it all.
She seems to be a very self-critical young lady. I had to laugh about her mentioning falling due to nonsense.
She fell on the first flip- like she singled the first flip at euros. Obviously a huge glaring problem is flip control.
Thanks for translating!
Sot should either use the Lip strategy of 2 2axel3toes in the free skate or else try the 3flip3toe. Her flip is so much better in quality than the lutz which she always flutzes and pitches forward on the landing, and her flip isn't any more inconsistent.
SP: 3flip3toe, 3loop, 2axel
LP: 3flip3toe, 2axel3toe, 3lutz // 3flip, 3loop2toe2loop, 3sal, 2axel
If the 3flip3toe is too hard for her to rotate still, perhaps:
SP: 3toe3toe, 3loop or 3flip, 2axel
LP: 2axel3toe2toe, 2axel3toe, 3lutz // 3flip2toe2loop, 3flip, 3loop, 3sal
By the way I am all for her going back to Swan Lake for next season.
As for the timing of the team event, I also thought it would be much better to have it at the end as the focus is obviously on the invidual events. However, Patrick Chan said at the WTT press conference that he likes having the team event first. He felt that this gives the skaters the opportunity to get over their competition jitters. Also he said that a successful team event can create a very positive energy for the skaters. He said that skaters are training every day and that physically it should not be such a problem to compete in the team and the individual events. After listening to Patrick's comments, Daisuke Takahashi agreed. He said he hadn't looked at it this way before. Patrick only felt that it is tough for the pairs. Ashley Wagner also said she does not have a problem with the schedule, especially since the Ladies are the last ones to compete.
As for Russia competing in the team event, Maxim Trankov said that he and Tatiana Volosozhar probably will do the short program at the team event and another team should do the long program. He also mentioned the possibility not to compete in the team event at all if their man doesn't enter. They only have one man and depending on who it will be he might not do the team event because he has to compete four times. It will be interesting to see who it is and what strategy they have. Actually I think their man should focus on the team event because his chances to medal there are probably higher than in the individual event. It all comes down to who it is and how likely are his chances to make the podium in the Men's singles.
As for the comparison between team and invidual medal - there is much more focus on the individuals in all sports that have team events. People will remember much longer who won the gold in the pairs event than which pair was on let's say team USA that won gold in the team event. So I don't think that the team event takes away from the individual events.