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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    http://www.eg.ru/daily/sports/36130/
    Interview with Morozov - anyone willing to translate? From what I've been able to discern, it seems like Morozov is criticizing the technical judges saying that someone named Vitali Baranov replaced the english judge and was corrupt in favor of Ekaterina and Dimitri.

    And here's one with Zhulin:
    http://onyg64tu.nvqws3booj2q.dd34.ru...ting/12454184/
    it is not in dispute that I/K had one of the most stunning technical collapses in levels from euros to worlds? So maybe he should blame himself or I/K for their stunning fall to where almost every team they beat in EUros beat them in worlds. So what happened? How did almost every team that I/K beat in Euros beat them at worlds?

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    That's easy - they were stunning at Europeans, quick and sharp, and did not deliver at worlds. Some elements were wobbly, and not held long enough...

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    I thought because that interview was posted now it had to do with worlds but it had to do with russian nationals

    It's terrible that I/K couldn't keep up their EUros or even russian nationals form and just were terrible at euros getting like 20th place in TES or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caseyedwards View Post

    It's terrible that I/K couldn't keep up their EUros or even russian nationals form and just were terrible at euros getting like 20th place in TES or something.
    It is not that unusual. Look at Valentina Marchei - at Europeans she was 4th, at worlds she was 18. Akiko Suzuki - 2nd at 4CC, 12th at worlds. And there are others...

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    Surely if it was a corrupt tech panel, they didn't have to dump I/K below the Shibs: they could have been more subtle about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kasey View Post
    I thought it was just a year from the date of the last international event; provided that Russia releases her
    If she were a pairs or dance skater, yes. Otherwise, for singles to compete in international competition, they can't have competed for another country within 12 months of 1 July for the season, and for championships, within 18 months of 1 July of the season. She'll meet these criteria in as of 1 July 2014 and will be able to compete for Israel in the 2014-15 season.

    If I now understand the issues around Shelepen's change, the objection is that she was given expedited citizenship and exempted from the pre-citizenship residency requirements, like Bycheno, but unlike all of the other skaters who represented Israel (except for non-Israeli partners). And if I understand the requirements for Ireland, my friend who got his Irish passport through his Irish-born mother, who came to the US at two years old and never went back, could train in NJ and compete for Ireland, but the one who did through three of four grandparents would have to live in Ireland for a year before he could. Check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    Surely if it was a corrupt tech panel, they didn't have to dump I/K below the Shibs: they could have been more subtle about it.
    The interview is from January, he was talking about Russian nationals.

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    "'Is this new BMW-designed sled the ultimate sledding machine for Langdon and Holcomb?' Leigh Diffey asked before the pair cruised to victory. I don’t know, but I know that sled is the ultimate Olympic Games product placement.." -- Jen Chaney

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    However, other people who support breaking the limit want to see the best skaters at any given time without national limits. The Federations would never allow a tennis-like model, because that makes their influence moot, but that's another story.

    Since this is the Russia thread, yes, I would like to see more Russian Ladies, Dance, and Pairs compete than the current limit.
    I support the idea hat skaters should be able to earn their own spots at Worlds / Olys via a good placement from the previous 12 months (say, from last Worlds all the way up to current season's 4CCs / Euros).

    Nationals can be used to determine non-Worlds / Olys assignments which are the avenue for skaters to qualify to Worlds; Nationals placements can be used to determine funding envelops and potiking plans, plus winning / medals at Nationals helps with momentum / reputation. So National Federations can still have their grip over skaters.

    I wasn't prepared to see only 2 Russian ladies go to Sochi, but even if they regain the 3rd spot next year, at least one of Sot, Tuk, Lip and Rad (plus many more juniors coming up) will have to miss Worlds 2015. It is going to be as sad as seeing Nakano miss Vancouver by less than half a point when she was top 5 in the world 3 years in a row.

    Whether a skater makes or misses Worlds / Olympics should not be affected by how his teammate skates. For example, Brooklee Han beats Zhang Kexin at Worlds 2013 yet Han still hasn't had a spot for Olympics yet but Zhang's spot is somewhat safe just because Li Zijun skated well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post


    It isn't clear at all that many nations' programs would shrivel and die if Europeans and 4C's were the last championships in which most of their skaters could compete, especially in Europe, where senior internationals are thriving, and most of those skaters don't have an icycle's chance in hell to make Euros, let alone Worlds.
    I can tell you that many countries were struggling before and the current situation has only made things more difficult. Many federations receive funding from their NOCs and/or governments dependent on sending skaters to Euros/4CC/Worlds and this being cut. It probably wouldn't be clear to me either I suppose if I lived in a country that isn't affected by the new rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    The ISU's implementation is not the only way to limit skaters: they could have qualified Worlds spots the same way they select Olympics spots: a fixed number at Worlds and a qualifier like Nebelhorn, even one later in the season and with more open spots, since there were more in singles than 30. They don't have to make it a "Let everyone in": they can create a formula to allow more than three from one country, and it can take into consideration other stats, like the number of skaters in the Top X SB and/or the number of skaters who make GPF. They could have a warmup group consisting of wild card spots and use a Senior B as a skate-off to earn extra spots at Worlds, and they could even make this group skate first.
    The end result will be the same - US, Canada, Japan, Russia, France and a limited number of skaters from certain other countries competing at Worlds. Maybe we could call it the Six Nations instead of Worlds?

    Anyway, back to Russian skating news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eislauffan View Post
    At Worlds in the flash quote interviews, Ilia Tkachenko said that they are going to Detroit now for a prolonged time. Actually, Alexei Gorshkov has been collaborating with Igor Shpilband already for some time and more so since the start of last season. He spent some months with Riazanova/Tkachenko and I think also with the junior team (Kosygina/Moroshkin) in Detroit with Igor and both Igor and him were coaching Riazonva/Tkachenko at Worlds. So Igor already had some influence on them this season, but it didn't pay off much.
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    The way I understood it, they came to him over the summer and basically stayed the summer into the fall. But then they went back to Russia and their old coach. Did they come back to Igor during the season? I didnt think so.

    IMO FWIR they did look a lot sharper at their first GP, which was very early in the season and was when they were fresh off their training with Igor. If they had stayed with him all year, I think they would have finished a lot higher than they did. So if they are going full time to Igor, I expect to see a big improvement in them for next year. But if they are only extending this joint-coaching thing another year, I have my doubts they will even make the team next year. It's a shame if that happens, because I think they could be a lot better than they are now.

    About Gorshkov - I dont think he is any kind of good coach. Who were his last promising students? Dom-Shab before the injury? And didnt they blame him for that? I remember reading how he told them to go to Euros and skate even though Max was hardly healed. Since they left him, I dont think any of his skaters have looked good. His junior couple, K/M, I liked at their debut - but that was about 3 years ago and frankly they havent improved much since. This year they have looked better and making JGPF a huge step up, although they didnt make the JWorlds team. But I think that improvement is from working with Sphilband, not Gorshkov. They trained all summer in Detroit, and again , looked sharper earlier in the season.

    Gorshkov IMO is no better than Kustarova as a coach. All their students should

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tak View Post
    The way I understood it, they came to him over the summer and basically stayed the summer into the fall. But then they went back to Russia and their old coach. Did they come back to Igor during the season? I didnt think so.

    IMO FWIR they did look a lot sharper at their first GP, which was very early in the season and was when they were fresh off their training with Igor. If they had stayed with him all year, I think they would have finished a lot higher than they did. So if they are going full time to Igor, I expect to see a big improvement in them for next year. But if they are only extending this joint-coaching thing another year, I have my doubts they will even make the team next year. It's a shame if that happens, because I think they could be a lot better than they are now.

    About Gorshkov - I dont think he is any kind of good coach. Who were his last promising students? Dom-Shab before the injury? And didnt they blame him for that? I remember reading how he told them to go to Euros and skate even though Max was hardly healed. Since they left him, I dont think any of his skaters have looked good. His junior couple, K/M, I liked at their debut - but that was about 3 years ago and frankly they havent improved much since. This year they have looked better and making JGPF a huge step up, although they didnt make the JWorlds team. But I think that improvement is from working with Sphilband, not Gorshkov. They trained all summer in Detroit, and again , looked sharper earlier in the season.

    Gorshkov IMO is no better than Kustarova as a coach. All their students should
    I don't quite agree. First of all, Gorshkov's junior team Kosygina/Moroshkin was at Junior Worlds. They finished sixth with a strong free dance. I think that Gorshkov is actually a good technical coach. But maybe the programs suffered since his long-time choreographer, former dancer Sergei Petukhov, has left the group at the end of last season and now is in Zhulin's group. Riazanova/Tkachenko had some disappointing low levels in their Grand Prix events Skate Canada (level 1 and 2 for the Polka and level 2 for the footwork in the free dance and three level 2 elements in the SD and level 2 footwork in the FD at Trophee Bompard). Only at Russian Nationals they got a level four for everything (levels were handed out like Christmas presents and it was his birthday, too). So Igor Shpilband didn't get their levels up even for the Grand Prix.
    I actually liked Kosygina/Moroshkin's programs this season (more than last season). I liked Alexei Gorshkov's students a lot, they usually have good technique and interesting programs. Some of his top students were Natalia Romaniuta/ Daniil Barantsev, Albena Denkova/Maxim Staviski and then of course Domnina/Shabalin (who left him because the Russian Fed told them to go to Linitchuk). A coach also has to do with the material he got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Whether a skater makes or misses Worlds / Olympics should not be affected by how his teammate skates. For example, Brooklee Han beats Zhang Kexin at Worlds 2013 yet Han still hasn't had a spot for Olympics yet but Zhang's spot is somewhat safe just because Li Zijun skated well.
    Kexin was 7th at worlds in 2012 so a bad example IMO.

    Ladies like Han Lee, McCorkell and Popova who make worlds with ease over ladies like Korobeynikova, Gosviani, GAO, Zawadski is more irritating to me. The first two groups at worlds were essentially a regular European champs. I'd rather see the best of the best, not just the best of OES.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    http://www.eg.ru/daily/sports/36130/
    Interview with Morozov - anyone willing to translate? From what I've been able to discern, it seems like Morozov is criticizing the technical judges saying that someone named Vitali Baranov replaced the english judge and was corrupt in favor of Ekaterina and Dimitri.

    And here's one with Zhulin:
    http://onyg64tu.nvqws3booj2q.dd34.ru...ting/12454184/
    The first link- the journalist is a known yellow press representative, half of his interviwes happen in his head only. sime of the skaters are strongly advised not to speak to him.

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    Macassar88, that first link has pornographic ads. If you feel compelled to link to such a webpage, please put a warning in your post.

    If you really want a translation, you can run the article through Google Translate and figure out what it says on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Macassar88, that first link has pornographic ads. If you feel compelled to link to such a webpage, please put a warning in your post.

    If you really want a translation, you can run the article through Google Translate and figure out what it says on your own.
    Sorry - didn't realize that. I have a really strong ad block.
    And I did put it through google translate. But it isn't a very good translation.

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    http://winter.sport-express.ru/figur...reviews/29860/
    As this news said, Vera and Yuri are coached by Nina Moser?

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    Quote Originally Posted by viviabond View Post
    http://winter.sport-express.ru/figur...reviews/29860/
    As this news said, Vera and Yuri are coached by Nina Moser?
    Yes; there Moser talks about it like it is a done deal.
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    Ugh - that means that they're going to get Morozov choreography... Also, I don't like the idea of them training with Mozer since she'll be completely focused on Volosozhar and Trankov since they're basically gold medal favorites. Will she have enough time to teach them? I'd much rather they had gone with Moskvina or Vasiliev.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    Ugh - that means that they're going to get Morozov choreography... Also, I don't like the idea of them training with Mozer since she'll be completely focused on Volosozhar and Trankov since they're basically gold medal favorites. Will she have enough time to teach them? I'd much rather they had gone with Moskvina or Vasiliev.
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    they should have gone to Moskvina, after 2014 when K/S retire
    they will have her full attention

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    They should have gone to Pavlova! She's the best pair coach in terms of giving her teams the overall package and interesting programs.

    Quote Originally Posted by poths View Post
    Ladies like Han Lee, McCorkell and Popova who make worlds with ease over ladies like Korobeynikova, Gosviani, GAO, Zawadski is more irritating to me. The first two groups at worlds were essentially a regular European champs. I'd rather see the best of the best, not just the best of OES.
    You mad? Han and Popova skated mostly clean, strong programs.

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