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    Source: http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/...-0-file,00.pdf

    Dance Lift – A movement in which one of the partners is elevated with active and/or passive assistance of the other partner to any permitted height, sustained there and set down on the ice. Any rotations and positions and changes of such positions during the lift are permitted. Lifts should enhance the music chosen and express its character and should be performed in an elegant manner without obvious feats of strength and awkward and/or undignified actions and poses. Types of Dance Lifts are classified as follows:
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    Short Lifts – the duration of the lift should not exceed six (6) seconds a) Stationary Lift – A lift that is executed on the spot (stationary location)
    by the lifting partner who may or may not be rotating;
    b) Straight Line Lift – A lift in which the lifting partner travels in a straight line in any position on one foot or two feet;
    c) Curve Lift – A lift in which the lifting partner travels on one curve (lobe) in any position on one foot or two feet;
    d) Rotational Lift – A lift in which the lifting partner rotates in one (clockwise or anticlockwise) direction while travelling across the ice.
    Long Lifts – the duration of the lift should not exceed twelve (12) seconds:
    e) Reverse Rotational Lift – A Lift in which the lifting partner rotates in one direction and then in another direction while travelling across the ice;
    f) Serpentine Lift – A lift in which the lifting partner travels on two different curves of approximately similar curvature and duration. The pattern must be serpentine shaped (“S”). The change of direction of the pattern may incorporate a turn of not more than 1⁄2 rotation. After the completion of the 2 curves the Couple may skate additional curve(s) or rotate (up to 1 rotation) but this will not be counted;
    g) Combination Lift – A lift combining two of the above types of lifts - a), b), c) or d).
    Illegal Lift Movement/Pose – The following movements and/or poses during the lift are illegal:
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    lifting hand(s) of the lifting partner higher than his head)*; lying or sitting on the partner’s head; sitting or standing on the partner’s shoulder or back; lifted partner in upside down split pose (with sustained angle between thighs more than 45 degrees)**;
    lifting partner swinging the lifted partner around by holding the skate(s)/boot(s) or leg(s) only with fully extended arm(s) or by holding the hand(s) with full arm extension by both partners.
    *It is not considered as an Illegal Lift Movement/Pose if: – the point of contact of the lifting hand/arm of the lifting partner
    with any part of the body of the lifted partner is not sustained
    higher than the lifting partner’s head; – the lifting hand/arm which is used for support or balancing only or
    which touches any part of the body of the lifted partner is not sustained by the lifting partner higher than his head for more than 2 seconds.
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    ** A brief movement through an upside down split pose (with any angle between thighs) will be permitted if it is not established (sustained) or if it is used only to change pose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by literaryfreak View Post
    Whitneyskates stated above that it's illegal to sit on a partner's shoulders during lifts.
    It's true - that's what is written in the general lifts rules. But perhaps it depends on for how long the dancer is sitting on her partner's shoulders - if it's long enough for it to be considered a position, then it's illegal, but if it's for a shorter time, and can't be considered as a position, but rather as some kind of transition, then the judges don't mark it as illegal. Although I must admit that I have forgotten for how long the position must last for it to count - was it 2 seconds? I think that Tessa was not sitting on Scott's shoulders for full 2 seconds - probably closer to 1 second.
    Last edited by lauravvv; 05-11-2013 at 09:30 PM.

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    Another thing that I must say - although I am more of a Tessa and Scott fan, I am now equally, or perhaps even more curious about Meryl and Charlie's new dances, especially the FD. All those choreographers.... It can't be that all of them are for the SD, can it? I was trying to guess what they are going to do for the next season, and came up pretty much with nothing. It seems that dramatic/romantic is what they do best, but they did it this season already, and a similar FD so soon might not be such a good idea. So, probably a light and fun dance FD (but different from 'Die Fledermaus')? On the other hand, the finnstep SD is very likely to be light and fun too, so who knows.

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    Technically Tessa didn't sit or stand on Scott's shoulders or back. To sit by definition involves the buttocks. At no time were Tessa's buttocks on his shoulder or back which is why the lift would not have been judged illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcg View Post
    Technically Tessa didn't sit or stand on Scott's shoulders or back. To sit by definition involves the buttocks. At no time were Tessa's buttocks on his shoulder or back which is why the lift would not have been judged illegal.
    That is a very risky interpretation and I think it's really indicative that judges were not against or extra critical of their routine.
    She was in a seated position supported by Scott's shoulders. She wasn't sitting on air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcg View Post
    Technically Tessa didn't sit or stand on Scott's shoulders or back. To sit by definition involves the buttocks. At no time were Tessa's buttocks on his shoulder or back which is why the lift would not have been judged illegal.
    That is a very risky interpretation and I think it's really indicative that judges were not against or extra critical of their routine.
    She was in a seated position supported by Scott's shoulders. She wasn't sitting on air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    Another thing that I must say - although I am more of a Tessa and Scott fan, I am now equally, or perhaps even more curious about Meryl and Charlie's new dances, especially the FD. All those choreographers.... It can't be that all of them are for the SD, can it? I was trying to guess what they are going to do for the next season, and came up pretty much with nothing. It seems that dramatic/romantic is what they do best, but they did it this season already, and a similar FD so soon might not be such a good idea. So, probably a light and fun dance FD (but different from 'Die Fledermaus')? On the other hand, the finnstep SD is very likely to be light and fun too, so who knows.
    I'm very curious, as well. In 2009 they had help for the OD and the Tango Romantica, but this time around they seem to have a small army forming. Choreographers have been popping out of the woodwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcg View Post
    Technically Tessa didn't sit or stand on Scott's shoulders or back. To sit by definition involves the buttocks. At no time were Tessa's buttocks on his shoulder or back which is why the lift would not have been judged illegal.
    I thought perhaps it was because the singular "shoulder" is what is in the rules, and she was seated on both shoulders, not one. But I'd love to see a tech specialist explain it, because I don't believe wholly in either your interpretation or mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI View Post
    I thought perhaps it was because the singular "shoulder" is what is in the rules, and she was seated on both shoulders, not one. But I'd love to see a tech specialist explain it, because I don't believe wholly in either your interpretation or mine.

    i see what you're saying. very interesting.

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    Because this was only short transition inside rotational lift, not main static position.
    Doris, you need to stop worry. If even Blumberg couldn't made this lift illegal....
    In famous DW lift Meryl sitting on Charlie shoulder and his hands are higher, then it must be in rules. But who care?
    Why you still so afraid VM? They loose everything, you team won with bad FD and in summer working with so many famous dance choreographers. So why you still bothering with one lift of the such bad team?

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    We do know that they at least adhere to the rule of one split lift only, because Meryl and Charlie had to revise one of their lifts after Skate America.

    Personally, I think both of the top teams have pushed the rules probably as far as they can go with regard to the height of the lifts, but I'd love to see them get away with more.

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    I'd love to see this lift appear. Or maybe a variation of it.

    http://rinksidecafe.files.wordpress....d-charlie.jpeg

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    Quote Originally Posted by circuscandy View Post
    I'd love to see this lift appear. Or maybe a variation of it.

    http://rinksidecafe.files.wordpress....d-charlie.jpeg
    NOOO...everyone and their mother uses this lift in exhibitions.

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    pani, What I'm trying to do is understand the rules better, something that is important to me

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    The Rotational Lift was not illegal because they did not hold the first position longer than 2 seconds which is stated in the rules posted above as permitted. It was a transition into the lift and recognized as that. The main position was the one where Tessa is on one shoulder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lola10 View Post
    The Rotational Lift was not illegal because they did not hold the first position longer than 2 seconds which is stated in the rules posted above as permitted. It was a transition into the lift and recognized as that. The main position was the one where Tessa is on one shoulder!
    The way it is written, the 2 second rule would only apply to "lifting hand(s) of the lifting partner higher than his head)*;" as indicated by the * and not to the sitting clause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by literaryfreak View Post
    Watching their videos, I saw one lift where she stood on his shoulders at one point. Would something like that be physically possible, let alone legal, on ice?

    My first thought is blades balancing on shoulders would hurt way more than blades on the thigh and it may not work when in motion, as opposed to standing still.
    Blades on shoulders = Ouch^∞

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