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    Thinking about step sequences, we never got to see M&C do a serpentine step sequence as seniors since 2006 was the last season it was required. I would love to see them blow through one of those with the skills they have now (they did one in their '06 FD as juniors I think).
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    Quote Originally Posted by literaryfreak View Post
    That reminds me, I hope D/W do a midline no touching step sequence in next year's SD. I think there are three options, someone correct me if I'm wrong: midline, diagonal, or circular. D/W's midlines are the best. The one in the Indian OD is the highlight of that entire program for me.
    I'm right there with you!! Though there were so many highlights in that OD (the whole thing was a highlight, really), that does stand out. I'd to see this, as well as a serpentine step sequence like TanithandBenFan mentioned. They would rock that now

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    I am so tired of hearing all the flack over Davis and White recycling a lift . One d*mn lift...give me a break and they give us that first masterpiece and that spin. All of V/M lift positions aren't new, so unless they've been a fan for a minute they should know that. It's not even worth addressing, but it's so frustrating to hear over and over again. Ice dancers build on their technique and that means reusing and reworking elements.

    As for the twizzles...I'm sure some very mad V/M fans would love if they dropped their hops and jumps into twizzles. The way I see it, D/W are doing a whole other level of twizzle, not so much a style. No one else is capable of doing it, so why should they give up their advantage? They can call it reusing if it makes them feel better. I'm sure they'll say the same thing about their spins soon...though spinning inverted (tango) and jumping into spins sounds like variation to me...if I recall V/M reused their Mahler position.

    tl;dr people see what they want to see.
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    I read somewhere at the beginning of the season that the judges specifically asked M/C to put the Fledermaus rotational lift into the new FD. Doesn't that pretty much take care of that criticism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    I read somewhere at the beginning of the season that the judges specifically asked M/C to put the Fledermaus rotational lift into the new FD. Doesn't that pretty much take care of that criticism?
    Evidently not. Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    I read somewhere at the beginning of the season that the judges specifically asked M/C to put the Fledermaus rotational lift into the new FD. Doesn't that pretty much take care of that criticism?
    *Sigh* It should...and unfortunately it wasn't just fans saying this, it was commentators too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by circuscandy View Post
    They've really gone through that much trouble to declare D/W are objectively worse? Oh my. I confess I would have been far too lazy to do that last year when D/W lost at Worlds, but the idea did not even cross my mind.

    I don't know why it's so hard to admit that it comes down to preference of style now and nothing else. When D/W lost at 4CC last year, they were not at their best and I knew that. No drama. When they lost at Worlds, well, that was more controversial but when you give it away on levels, you give it away. I'm not a tech specialist so I just dealt with the reality.

    For me, personally, I don't even think any of the Canton teams are known for major recycling of programs. Marina may not vary the step sequences all that much, but in terms of choreography, she doesn't just copy & paste. We know that D/W put the rotational lift back in at the request of the judges. Every team has its signature lift or move, right? Tessa and Scott have/had the Goose lift. And Meryl and Charlie always vary their entrances and exits into the twizzles, if not the twizzles themselves, and they always make sure the musical timing is wonderful. Because, honestly, if they're getting the levels and the GOE, why risk it? Why change how they do them? It would be risky and rather silly.

    I love the dynamism of Charlie's full body performance. He is absolutely hypnotic because he moves from his toes to his fingers. Meryl finds her character and immerses herself in it. They are contrasting and yet perfectly suited to each other. And their style is one that I am drawn to. The seemingly wild abandon. The amount of control they have to harness the power they have. I like power and I like them, on a shallow note, aesthetically.

    Additionally, a lot of people harp on Meryl's extension, but speaking as someone who has the same leg line she does (that is, no hyper-extension whatsoever), it's not something she can change about herself, and it's hardly a distraction.

    At the end of the day, it's about the style. That's it. One team is not objectively worse than the other. And, frankly, I would hate to imagine a world where this rivalry did not exist, because I don't think either team would be as intense as they are, and the world of ice dance would be sorely missing something.

    Dave talked about how much he did not want Tessa and Scott to retire after the Olympics, when they won, and I totally agree with him. We might not have seen how far Meryl and Charlie could truly take their skills if they did not have an equal team to constantly fight with. It's just amazing, truly.

    I haven't been on the forum for the last couple of days but I simply have to applaud this post. I wasn't a huge fan of ice dancing before Vancouver; I did watch over the years but the Canton couples are what pulled me into the sport. I love D/W and I love V/M but I do prefer D/W just because I am a fan of that particular style of ice dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessiebanana View Post
    I am so tired of hearing all the flack over Davis and White recycling a lift .
    I don't think there's a dance team out there these days that is not re-using at least one lift. Maybe with a slight variation but essentially, it's likely to be the same. Those who are bothered by it should critisize the new judging system and the acrobatic elements the lifts need to include. There's only so much a couple can do and can come up with that stays within all the rules and gets the anticipated level.

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    It really is becoming a redundant argument. W/P, no matter how much I love them, have been doing the same lifts for about 6 seasons now. And V/M recycled a couple lifts from Pink Floyd for Mahler, but I guess it's ok if V/M do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitneyskates View Post
    It really is becoming a redundant argument. W/P, no matter how much I love them, have been doing the same lifts for about 6 seasons now. And V/M recycled a couple lifts from Pink Floyd for Mahler, but I guess it's ok if V/M do it.
    I love W/P too, but if I see that rotational lift with her blade to her head in one more of their programs..... They've done it in both their SD and FD in the same season!

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    i live in Seattle and I would love to find a similar hair attachment like what Meryl used. I would be very happy for my thinning hair!

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    D/W look like they are attacking and going out there to win, every time. Since the surgery, it does not appear as if V/M have gotten back their joie de vivre. They almost look scared when they take the ice, when D/W look exceptionally confident (minus Scott's "roar".) NOT THAT I AM BLAMING V/M for the surgery; it's something they can't help. (If I don't type this out the V/M fans will run with it - "The D/W ubers are blaming them!!!" even though I'm not an uber, I'm just a fan and not blaming anyone.)

    Other than the different types of dance - sharp vs. soft - I have yet to see a critique of actual skating technique. If technique means that Scott's legs are touching while Charlie's are separated, is that truly something that causes points to go down? If so, there's no reason why D/W should be winning. Apparently, the details like leg position during twizzles is a matter of preference, not something that is judged. In the USFSA MIF tests, there is often language about "skater is given complete freedom with respect to leg and arm positions." I believe that if these positions were judged in IJS scoring, that the MIF tests would specify a certain position.

    There are criticisms that D/W skate on "two feet" but V/M are always perfectly perched on one foot (harder). Ok, but there were multiple times during Carmen that V/M skated on two feet, so I don't know where this is even coming from. There are criticisms that D/W don't flow out of their twizzles, yet D/W's flow looked great. So did V/M's, but Tessa clunked down at the exit of their last Carmen twizzle. There are criticisms that D/W stole their lift from Belbin & Agosto, which is funny because even if it's the same lift, D/W's is so much better. If anything, B/A's split was more vertical where D/W's split is completely horizontal, so I wouldn't even call it the same lift. Ice coverage: at world's D/W had great ice coverage, and they covered almost the entire rink with their front-to-back spirals, while power pulling. I'm not saying that D/W are perfect by any means! But there seems to be some highly selective criticism going on.

    I believe now that the old saying that "V/M can skate to obscure music but D/W have to use popular music" has been thoroughly debunked, there are just lies being made up about "flow" and such.
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    V/M skated their final Carmen very well, with no visible errors, but they were just a trifle slower and more careful than in their previous performances. I do think that was not only to avoid missteps, but also to protect Tessa from cramping. The end result was a great technical performance but it lacked the tension and explosiveness of earlier efforts. Still, well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by circuscandy View Post
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    "CharlieaWhite Sometimes she's just like "dude- what's it all about?" http://t.co/pQygk7cmcu"
    If I was Tanith I'd be terrified to ever break up with Charlie. I feel like he and Meryl would dognap DJ...or in the very least file some sort of custody suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by circuscandy View Post
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    This is my favorite alliteration! That definitely needed to be trademarked.

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    Does anyone know if Meryl and Charlie are going to be at any of the stops for CSOI?
    I'm going to twizzle into a triple axel and spiral out of it.

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    The 2013-2014 tour hasn't been announced on the SOI website.
    http://www.starsonice.com/?content=tour

    There's nothing on their schedule on their official website, which has been updated for Worlds (the home page lists their 2013 World Championship)
    http://davis-white.ice-dance.com/schedule/

    And nothing on the blogspot
    http://www.meryl-charlie.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by shsocu View Post
    Does anyone know if Meryl and Charlie are going to be at any of the stops for CSOI?
    I would expect Kaetlyn Osmond to be added to some of the Canadian cities out west but the CSOI site hasn't announced any guest skaters yet. Here's the CSOI thread in GSD: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...rs-on-Ice-2013

    ETA that Fernandez & Osmond were announced as guest stars today: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...=1#post3890843
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