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    Quote Originally Posted by TanithandBenFan View Post
    Rumors are flying that Skate America will be in Detroit! How amazing would it be for M&C to have all their family and friends at their first competition of the Olympic season!
    Now wouldn't that be awesome? When do they usually announce this?

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    It is quite easy and convenient to hide behind a computer and insult skating technique/appearance/anything else that comes to their mind. I feel sorry for those who do this because that is all they have to look forward to in their pitiful world.
    Meryl and Charlie have accomplished more on and off the ice, in their young lives than these couch potato experts ever will in all their combined lifetimes put together. NO ONE can take that away from them.

    NBC has some skating coverage today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holley Calmes View Post
    Love that first one, but the rest would have to be severely aletred in the skirts as both short and longer tutus just have too much fabric. I can't see doing all the intricate, difficult choreography that D/W do at such fast speeds contending with miles of tulle! But they are pretty! And I agree with wanting to see Charlie in that outfit on the right in the last photo. I think he would wear it well! Copellia sounds like a good choice but it is lightweight a bit. Reading that they need to pull something GRANDE for Olympic season. Copellia is sweet and cute and would suit them. Maybe a little too much like the visuals and sprightliness of Giselle's 1st act. How about Giselle's second act???
    That first one reminds me of Sasha's Oly LP dress and considering what happened...I have my superstitions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holley Calmes View Post
    Love that first one, but the rest would have to be severely aletred in the skirts as both short and longer tutus just have too much fabric. I can't see doing all the intricate, difficult choreography that D/W do at such fast speeds contending with miles of tulle! But they are pretty! And I agree with wanting to see Charlie in that outfit on the right in the last photo. I think he would wear it well! Copellia sounds like a good choice but it is lightweight a bit. Reading that they need to pull something GRANDE for Olympic season. Copellia is sweet and cute and would suit them. Maybe a little too much like the visuals and sprightliness of Giselle's 1st act. How about Giselle's second act???
    Are ice dancers now encouraged to use ballet? It used to be outright banned as it's not an inherent partner dance form.

    Having just tried on some ballet costumes for a showcase in ballroom, I agree--the first Sylvia dress (with the flat skirt) could work, but when you're skating close to a partner a tutu, especially the stiff "Russian" style is just going to get in the way and close body contact with your partner crunches it down. I discovered quickly that tulle, even long, doesn't move big, and in skating you need something that just FLIES.

    I'm just not into sticking ballet in ice dance (or really skating at all as in the other disciplines it's done to DEATH, and besides ballet is BALLET, it's about...well, it's about movements that you can achieve with ballet technique on a floor, it just seems like skaters copying ballet otherwise.) And I don't know about GRAND, unless the judges just reward 'deep' music, as much as they need something that just feels like THEM. Whatever they pick needs to speak to them, first and foremost. You can tell when someone/a couple genuinely loves what they're skating to. Grand or light or fun or whatever I hope they go for something that just makes them go "Yes!"

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    U.S. TV reminder: NBC's Worlds recap is today, noon-2 pm Eastern.

    ETA: Their free dance is being shown just before/around 1 pm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    Are ice dancers now encouraged to use ballet? It used to be outright banned as it's not an inherent partner dance form.

    Having just tried on some ballet costumes for a showcase in ballroom, I agree--the first Sylvia dress (with the flat skirt) could work, but when you're skating close to a partner a tutu, especially the stiff "Russian" style is just going to get in the way and close body contact with your partner crunches it down. I discovered quickly that tulle, even long, doesn't move big, and in skating you need something that just FLIES.

    I'm just not into sticking ballet in ice dance (or really skating at all as in the other disciplines it's done to DEATH, and besides ballet is BALLET, it's about...well, it's about movements that you can achieve with ballet technique on a floor, it just seems like skaters copying ballet otherwise.) And I don't know about GRAND, unless the judges just reward 'deep' music, as much as they need something that just feels like THEM. Whatever they pick needs to speak to them, first and foremost. You can tell when someone/a couple genuinely loves what they're skating to. Grand or light or fun or whatever I hope they go for something that just makes them go "Yes!"
    Really? You could say the very same thing about Latin rhythms, if not more, yet they are still apart of the CDs. When I learned to skate a lot people loved that I came from a Ballet background and could incorporate those movements. ALL dance on ice is an interpretation. Absolutely non of it is literal. The waltz perhaps being the closest. If a team can successfully convey a dance rythym...in an ice dance competition, they should go for it.

    While Ballet isn't inherently a partner dance. A pas de deux is a regular part of any show. Many folk dances aren't inherently partner based, yet we now welcome their inclusion in ice dance.

    As for is being over done...if you feel it is that is fine, but I don't.

    I'm not sure what all this hubbub over costumes is about. Costumes are always modified for whatever discipline interprets it. When ballets do operas, no one suggests they wear the original heavy opera costume. If D/W did a ballet there are many softer flexible materials she could use to mimic tulle. Or she could skip the tulle and go with a straight skirt and still keep a ballet bodice. It reminds me of a few of those obnoxious comments that said Meryl's Indian costume wasn't a good depiction of traditional dress because it was too short.

    I don't think a particular style should be automatically awarded over another, but it sounds to me as if some would like to see a certain style and think only M/C can handle it. It would speak to their abilities and make an impact. That isn't quite the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by missysays View Post
    It'll be interesting to see if in the Olympic season both teams will continue to push themselves outside of their comfort zones and what they do best, play it safe with a style they know they can do well, or try and find a balance between the two.
    For me the ideal situation would be if both teams tried to do something outside of their comfort zones, finding a balance between that and safe being the second best option. I am not sure that it's going to happen, though - that is, both Meryl/Charlie and Tessa/Scott doing something new in the Olympic season. The second option is more possible. But I think I am going to be okay with something "safe" as well, as long as the music is beautiful, the choreo is good, and the dances are impactful enough to impress both the judges and the public, and to be remembered for years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaffeine View Post
    Look, there has been all this talk about how difficult V/M's Carmen is, how everything is difficult, and innovative, and intricate, etc. Yeah, that's great. Did they perform it flawlessly and to the hilt this season? Not really.
    Were did you see flaws in their Worlds performance of 'Carmen'? Do you mean those level 3 step sequences? But Meryl and Charlie got the same. And other than that I can't think of any real flaws.

    Davis and White planned and skated SMARTLY. They played up their strengths, worked on their weaknesses and made changes here and there along the way--nothing too disruptive but just minor tweaks. That's not being "safe", that's being smart. That's what a competitor does. At the end of the day, ice dancing is a sport. If ice dancing wants to be taken seriously, then the teams need to step up, realize that this is a sport (with an artistic blend) and skate not just necessarily harder but smarter.
    I understand being smart, but, at the same time, if being smart means that skaters can't really do something new and experiment, then I don't like that kind of smart. For me stepping up means exactly pushing the boundaries and showing (in this case) to the skating world new ways how it can be done. And who else to do it if not the top skaters?

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    4CC interview.

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    Thank you , but that was actually NHK ^^;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiazumi View Post
    Thank you , but that was actually NHK ^^;
    Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize it was NHK.

    I like this recap of the season.

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    After listening to Mirai's interview in Japanese, i thought i heard her say something to the extent of, "Admire Meryl's stlye"... Not sure if thats translated correctly. But wow everyone seems to like Meryl's style these days hehe

    Speaking of style, Does anyone have pictures of MC at the banquet?

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    All those cute pictures makes me want to rewatch their SD. The YP was just made for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    Were did you see flaws in their Worlds performance of 'Carmen'? Do you mean those level 3 step sequences? But Meryl and Charlie got the same. And other than that I can't think of any real flaws.
    As far as tech, here's how the two teams were judged. D&W won the spin and the steps. The teams tied on lifts and twizzles. The judges didn't like Tessa & Scott's first lift (the curved lift where Tessa ends up in a kind of odd spread legged position across Scott's legs) and totally loved the final rotational lift (perfect score of 5.5) where Tessa sits on Scott's shoulder, facing him. From the marks, I don't think you can sustain a claim that the judges disliked the creative bits of their program, since that was mostly the lifts. The judges' favorite lift that either team did was Tessa & Scott's short rotational lift. That lift was the most questionable one from a rules standpoint & traditional ice dance standpoint, being very gymnastic (something that used to be frowned upon in ice dance) and Tessa sits on Scott's shoulders, something that is explicitly against the rules some of the time, and always frowned upon. So I actually think they were rewarded for their creativity.

    They were marked lower for their steps (which were pretty standard, just as D&W's steps are pretty standard), which didn't have the clean sureness of their Mahler program, for example. And D&W were somewhat faster in the steps, too. D&W scored higher for both step sequences.

    Their least creative element (as their program is currently structured) was their spin, and they scored less than D&W in that element, not too surprisingly, since V&M's spin does not have a creative or difficult entry & D&W's does.


    STEPS Type score Type score
    V&M Circular 8.50 Diagonal 8.36
    D&W Circular 8.79 Diagonal 8.64



    spin Lifts step twizzles
    Total D&W 6.36 22.64 8.50 7.21
    Total V&M 6.14 22.64 16.86 7.21

    The twizzles are an interesting case. The judges clearly noted that D&W's FD twizzles were not as good as their SD twizzles, which got a perfoct score:


    Twizzles Score GOE Score GOE
    D&W SD 7.50 1.50 FD 7.21 1.21
    V&M SD 5.57 0.57 FD 7.21 1.21

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    If you watched the RAIsport coverage of FD on youtube channel LaRiservaISUMondiali

    you might get as big a kick out of this comment as I do:

    LaRiservaISUMondiali 6 days ago
    Meryl and Charlie I LOVE you!!!!!! You are angels for me. So so happy your deserved Gold Medal. Come to Italy! or, if you want, come and "see" us in Riserva Forum. We'd be honoured! Hughs & Kisses
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2auou58sUa0

    I hope Meryl & Charlie take them up on it, and come see them in the "Riserva Forum"

    The web address from youtube for them is

    http://lariserva.forumcommunity.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI View Post
    If you watched the RAIsport coverage of FD on youtube channel LaRiservaISUMondiali

    you might get as big a kick out of this comment as I do:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2auou58sUa0

    I hope Meryl & Charlie take them up on it, and come see them in the "Riserva Forum"

    The web address from youtube for them is

    http://lariserva.forumcommunity.net/
    Haha…yes, I did see that. I thought that was very cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI View Post
    As far as tech, here's how the two teams were judged. D&W won the spin and the steps. The teams tied on lifts and twizzles. The judges didn't like Tessa & Scott's first lift (the curved lift where Tessa ends up in a kind of odd spread legged position across Scott's legs) and totally loved the final rotational lift (perfect score of 5.5) where Tessa sits on Scott's shoulder, facing him. From the marks, I don't think you can sustain a claim that the judges disliked the creative bits of their program, since that was mostly the lifts. The judges' favorite lift that either team did was Tessa & Scott's short rotational lift. That lift was the most questionable one from a rules standpoint & traditional ice dance standpoint, being very gymnastic (something that used to be frowned upon in ice dance) and Tessa sits on Scott's shoulders, something that is explicitly against the rules some of the time, and always frowned upon. So I actually think they were rewarded for their creativity.

    They were marked lower for their steps (which were pretty standard, just as D&W's steps are pretty standard), which didn't have the clean sureness of their Mahler program, for example. And D&W were somewhat faster in the steps, too. D&W scored higher for both step sequences.
    Thanks, but I always look at the protocols myself, so I knew the numbers, and how the judges judged them. I also know that Meryl and Charlie got higher GOE for their step sequences, but to me it doesn't prove that there were real flaws in Tessa and Scott's FD performance - "flaw" indicates something more major in my mind. Meryl/Charlie's speed has always supposedly been better than Tessa and Scott's, so we can just as well say that Tessa and Scott are flawed in this area compared to Meryl and Charlie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    Thanks, but I always look at the protocols myself, so I knew the numbers, and how the judges judged them. I also know that Meryl and Charlie got higher GOE for their step sequences, but to me it doesn't prove that there were real flaws in Tessa and Scott's FD performance - "flaw" indicates something more major in my mind. Meryl/Charlie's speed has always supposedly been better than Tessa and Scott's, so we can just as well say that Tessa and Scott are flawed in this area compared to Meryl and Charlie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    Thanks, but I always look at the protocols myself, so I knew the numbers, and how the judges judged them. I also know that Meryl and Charlie got higher GOE for their step sequences, but to me it doesn't prove that there were real flaws in Tessa and Scott's FD performance - "flaw" indicates something more major in my mind. Meryl/Charlie's speed has always supposedly been better than Tessa and Scott's, so we can just as well say that Tessa and Scott are flawed in this area compared to Meryl and Charlie.
    Both teams had skates that scored the 2nd & 3rd best of the season overall; clearly there was not a lot wrong with either performance. The only thing to do in such a case is take the protocols apart to see where they could have done better, and hope that they work on those areas for next season, something that of course, they will do.

    I wasn't only addressing your question lauravvv, but the general thought that that V&M were punished by the judges for being creative, and the marks do not tell that story, IMO.

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    I agree. It's not just what the skaters do, but how they do them.

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