2014 Olympic spots obtained at 2013 worlds..

[SamuraiK]

After the Pairs competition These are the 16 spots already qualified for Sochi:

Russia - 3
Germany - 2
Canada - 3
China - 2
France - 2
United States - 2
Italy - 2

[fan]

will there be 20 or 24 pairs competing at Sochi?

[allezfred]

20.

[manhn]

Hmm, I wonder who will get that 3rd spot for Canada. I like Paige & Rudy, but I would prefer to see a pair with a legitimate future get that opportunity. I like Purdy/Mariano alot, and it'll be interesting to see how Tran and his new partner work together.

Just based on posts about whether Kaetlyn Osmond can get 3 spots if she lands in the top 2, that doesn't apply in pairs? S&S are second but Germany only gets two?

[Cherub721]

Because the top 2 = 3 spots thing only applies when there is one skater/team. S&S are bogged down by the performance of Vartmann/Van Cleave. Had it been only them, they would have gotten 3 spots, which is kind of sucky.

This is also the reason Spain sent only Fernandez, they thought maybe he could achieve 3 spots. Not likely now.

[allezfred]

Just based on posts about whether Kaetlyn Osmond can get 3 spots if she lands in the top 2, that doesn't apply in pairs? S&S are second but Germany only gets two?

There was another German pair competing. It's only 3 if they finish in Top 2 and are the only pair representing their country.

[SamuraiK]

3rd CAN spot will be interesting for sure. Lawrence & Swiegers have stagnated too long. Im betting on Purdy & Marinaro or who knows the new team of Purich & Tran.


Now, with only 2 spots will CHN finally let Pang & Tong retire. There's nothing they could gain sending the veterans instead of their two promising young teams.

[skatak]

Because the top 2 = 3 spots thing only applies when there is one skater/team. S&S are bogged down by the performance of Vartmann/Van Cleave. Had it been only them, they would have gotten 3 spots, which is kind of sucky.

This is also the reason Spain sent only Fernandez, they thought maybe he could achieve 3 spots. Not likely now.

well, I'l a bit at lost at naming a third spanish skater...
anyway, maybe a good for a bad to secure two spot for next year ?

[SamuraiK]

well, I'l a bit at lost at naming a third spanish skater...
anyway, maybe a good for a bad to secure two spot for next year ?

If Raya had attended Fernandez would only need to stay in Top 10 to retain the 2 spots, easy pie for him. So I think the spanish federation has been stupidily greedy and denied Raya of much needed experience.

[Cherub721]

well, I'l a bit at lost at naming a third spanish skater...
anyway, maybe a good for a bad to secure two spot for next year ?

I don't know who their third is. They had Javier Raya as the second skater and they had a second spot, but from what I read, they opted not to send Raya because they thought Fernandez might be able to achieve top 2 and get a third spot. Now, they have robbed Raya of his opportunity to skate and probably won't get a third spot anyway.

[Braulio]

If Raya had attended Fernandez would only need to stay in Top 10 to retain the 2 spots, easy pie for him. So I think the spanish federation has been stupidily greedy and denied Raya of much needed experience.

They called it for tactical reasons, since Javi had a legitimate shot at the podium, maybe top 2 but they thought that given Raya´s performance it would be a bit difficult for them to even keep the 2 placements, Javier in the top 10, but what if Raya skated poorly and didn´t even qualify to the free skate? then it will be only 1 spot for them

So they went for the most logical thing, to send only Fernandez to do the job and get at least 2 spots

In the case they had 3, they have a skater named Victor Montoya, if i recall correct, the guy is just coming from junior ranks but it is unclear if he already has the technical content and the TES needed to step in the senior ranks.

[Sylvia]

I believe Victor Bustamante is the 3rd Spanish man? He's the Junior champ: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00012603.htm

"Qualification through the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2013
Twenty-four (24) qualification places for men and ladies each, in the Singles’ events, sixteen (16) qualification places in the Pair Skating event and nineteen (19) qualification places in Ice Dance will be determined after the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2013 according to the diagram outlined below.
...
The remaining qualification places (6 places for men and ladies each in Singles, 4 places in Pair Skating and 5 places in Ice Dance) will be filled by the NOCs at Senior International Qualification Competition designated by the ISU (Nebelhorn Trophy, Oberstdorf/Germany, September 25-28, 2013). Only one (1) qualification place per discipline and NOC may be earned. Places are available only to those NOCs which have not previously qualified in the respective discipline, based on their best ranked athletes in the competition."
Source link: http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=4263

[danafan]

Fernandez in the top 10 would have kept two spots for Spain even if Raya had entered but not qualified to skate the free.

[RFOS]

There is Victor Bustamante and Felipe Montoya.

Wouldn't Fernandez being in the top 10 qualify 2 spots regardless of Raya's placement? I remember it being 16 points for places 16 and below who qualified for the free skate, and I believe 18 points for those who skated the short program but didn't qualify for the free skate. 10 + 18 would be 28, which is enough to qualify 2 spots.

I'll try to look up whether that has changed recently, unless someone knows and posts before I do.

[SamuraiK]

They called it for tactical reasons, since Javi had a legitimate shot at the podium, maybe top 2 but they thought that given Raya´s performance it would be a bit difficult for them to even keep the 2 placements, Javier in the top 10, but what if Raya skated poorly and didn´t even qualify to the free skate? then it will be only 1 spot for them

So they went for the most logical thing, to send only Fernandez to do the job and get at least 2 spots
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A skater who fails to qualify for the LP gets 18 points anyway.

So as danafan already stated, even if Raya had failed to make it through the SP and finished dead last Fernandez will only have to be top 10 to keep the 2 spots. So NO, i don't think that was the most logical thing to do. It was greedy and to be honest neither Bustamante or Montoya at the moment are olympic worthy enough to deny Raya a chance of competing here.

[kwanfan1818]

If Raya had attended Fernandez would only need to stay in Top 10 to retain the 2 spots, easy pie for him. So I think the spanish federation has been stupidily greedy and denied Raya of much needed experience.

I agree. Fernandez skating alone and placing top 10 is the same result as Raya not making the free skate (max 18 points) and Fernandez placing top 10. On the other hand, perhaps they think that it was worth a shot at three for the Olympics this year, knowing that it is unlikely that Fernandez plus any other skater will gain three spots anytime soon.

[sus2850]

You are right. Not sending Raya made no sense at all, they only pressuered Javier to be in the top2 for three spots... Javier in top ten with or without Raya means 2 spots.
see also:
http://www.flutzingaround.com/search...&max-results=5

[Braulio]

And I do agree about that it was a wasted oportunity for Raya, after all the season the guy went to desperately seeking to achieve the TES mark for competing at worlds, finally achieving but only to be left off the team because of ´strategical reasons´ that the federation made.

[SamuraiK]

After that CRAZY Men's competition the 24 spots qualified for Sochi are:

Canada - 3
Kazakshtan - 2
Spain - 2
Japan - 3
United States - 2
France - 2
Czech Republic - 2
Germany - 1
China - 1
Uzbekistan - 1
Russia - 1
Sweden - 1
Belgium - 1
Austria - 1
Estonia - 1

6 remaining spots will be given at Nebelhorn Trophy in September.

[danafan]

I'm very happy for Romanenkov!