Virtue and Moir # 26- There's no place like home

[Cherub721]

I think the main problem - she just didnt found good technick coach. And from the results i think Shpilband still the best.
Marina is all about choreo, ideas, emotionls, style, to find new positions in lift from ballet, but she didnt understaend COP like Igor.She could work with skaters on good legs-arms lines, but not on blads , edges and levels. So maybe D-W more ready technically, when V-M need ciach who will work with them on SS, twizzles ect.
I think Scott is good in COP, he understand it, but they need outside look.
Thats my thoughts. Maybe i am wrong.

I agree (and I think Scott would make a great coach someday). I really doubt Marina could create a team from scratch. Igor could, even if I wouldn't necessarily love their style. D&W already have their technical stuff down cold so she basically just had to create choreography this year. V&M are dealing with a chronic condition that involves changing their skating technique and training methods, and they have chosen to do new elements and need a coach to see that through. Basically, IMO Marina is in over her head.

[Wyliefan]

I am happy about the start order tomorrow. I'll be at the 8:30 practice and there for the freedance. Not to be a child about it or anything, but D/W come after tessa and scott in the free dance and I hope they feel the resentement of the crowd.

Well, that's a really lovely thing to hope.

[pani]

Hopefuly this will cheer everyone up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzzEl...ature=youtu.be

Thanks!

[Skittl1321]

Basically, IMO Marina is in over her head.

So why do you think so many teams chose to stay with her rather than go with Igor? If she is a weak coach, that makes no sense.

[pani]

So why do you think so many teams chose to stay with her rather than go with Igor? If she is a weak coach, that makes no sense.

Who said she is weak? She isnt. She have power, childrens love her. And often ice dancers choose good choreo then technick.
I think her young teams have problems now. Shibs for example.

[Cherub721]

So why do you think so many teams chose to stay with her rather than go with Igor? If she is a weak coach, that makes no sense.

That's a good question. I was shocked everyone stayed - perhaps out of comfort? Maybe it's only becoming apparent now. Igor was left to scramble and find a new home while everyone was starting to work on their programs. Only the teams with the least to lose (C&B and Lithuanians) went with him.

I will be absolutely flabbergasted if the Shibs at least do not leave.

[horselover]

I usually lurk. But some of the sentiments in this thread have me puzzled. The rabid, anti-American prejudice....the total paranoia. I usually come to this thread because I have enjoyed watching V-M for years. I have enjoyed watching DW. I love both and would like fairness for both.

I am confused about the sentiments on this thread because:

A. Canada is doing very well in these championships and has much to be proud of and an amazing future. A bronze medal in pairs, a leading man and hopefully a leading lady. Even though I am not Canadian, I am excited about that. But when someone from my country (USA) does well, much hatred seems to spew out from some of these posters. Where is the maturity and goodwill?
B. I have been to both threads (DW) and have not read any threads making fun of individual posters in this thread.
C. I have followed this forum for a long time and I am very deeply disappointed in the maturity expressed here. I do hope this sort of thing does not spread.

[AragornElessar]

horse lover...What hostility to US skaters? None of us hate D/W, but we hate the fact they seem to be able to do no wrong even when they have obvious bobbles when the speed overtakes them. They may be fast, but that speed also nails them too at times, but nowhere do they get nailed for it. They were good last night, but that score calls for a performance like Kaitlyn and Andrew put out there last night. Meryl and Charlie didn't deserve that high of marks. I do agree they should be in the lead, but that far ahead? No.

And as for the Pairs event...Don't. Get. Me. Started!!!

[Golightly]

Of course someone would reduce this to anti-Americanism. Come on now, I love many American figure skaters, but Davis and White aren't on that list. That doesn't mean I hate your country. On the contrary, I do like it very much, fine people all around.

[bmcg]

I usually lurk. But some of the sentiments in this thread have me puzzled. The rabid, anti-American prejudice....the total paranoia. I usually come to this thread because I have enjoyed watching V-M for years. I have enjoyed watching DW. I love both and would like fairness for both.

I am confused about the sentiments on this thread because:

A. Canada is doing very well in these championships and has much to be proud of and an amazing future. A bronze medal in pairs, a leading man and hopefully a leading lady. Even though I am not Canadian, I am excited about that. But when someone from my country (USA) does well, much hatred seems to spew out from some of these posters. Where is the maturity and goodwill?
B. I have been to both threads (DW) and have not read any threads making fun of individual posters in this thread.
C. I have followed this forum for a long time and I am very deeply disappointed in the maturity expressed here. I do hope this sort of thing does not spread.

You obviously don't lurk enough or read nearly enough if you think this behaviour is only going on in this thread

A. Canada is having a great championship so far and you´ll read lots of happy posts about that. If you aren't seeing that then you must not have access to all threads. This isn't about not being happy someone from your country is doing well, you are in a fan thread where people who are fans of V&M are disappointed with their results. Many of those aren't Canadians so this isn't about Canada vs US, it's about fans of individuals being disappointed.

B. Is this a case of semantics? Individuals vs collective group? Because it happens. Either you don't read enough or you don't have access to all areas.

C. There are some immature posts here in this thread, there are some hysterical posts as well. But those posts are everywhere on this board mixed in with all the other kinds of posts. Again you either don't read enough or don't have access to all areas of this board.

[volunteer]

horselover, sorry you think people in this thread are expressing "rabid anti-American prejudice . . . total paranoia" because we are disappointed that our favorites did not do well and disagree with the judging. Whenever fans don't agree with the judging of their favorites, people seem to personalize it as hating their competitors. I can't speak for everyone, but there is no hatred for DW here, they are athletes like everyone else, all they can control is their skating, not the judges.

[Susan M]

you are in a fan thread

How do users distinguish a thread for talking about a particular skater from a skater "fan thread"? I mean, the Chan uber thread is specifically titled as such. This one isn't.

[pani]

Must add - Elena V. talked with Marina, why Tessa is so fat now. Maybe this maen havy to her.

[AragornElessar]

True Susan, but I also believe all the threads for specific teams/skaters in The Trash Can Forum to be just that. Threads for the fans of those skaters to support them, chat about them and try to figure out what's going wrong when something is *very* wrong.

Don't understand why uber has to be on any of the skaters/teams thread title in here, as to me, it just simply goes w/out saying.

[professordeb]

How do users distinguish a thread for talking about a particular skater from a skater "fan thread"? I mean, the Chan uber thread is specifically titled as such. This one isn't.

Actually, it is a fan thread. It started out over 25,000 posts or so ago and has morphed into this current topic. The fact that it begins with Virtue and Moir should be a tip off to most regular posters around here. It's the same with the D/W topics -- it's a place for D/W fans/ubers to go and be safe and say all the things they want about V/M, PJ Kwong and Canada in general. And yes, I know this cause I read those topics as well.

[Golightly]

Must add - Elena V. talked with Marina, why Tessa is so fat now. Maybe this maen havy to her.

Facepalm. She asked her that? Seriously? Why this obsession with Tessa's weight, she's perfectly healthy.

[Shayii]

Can with stop bringing up the nationality thing. I'll like you to stop that too Pani when you sometimes say Canadians aren't being good to V/M. You don't have to love something/someone just cuz they're American, Canadian, or whatever. If that was the case I should be a D/W fan and not V/M since I'm American. I don't think it has to do with that.

I can't believe this! Tessa Virtue is not fat! She's not even big nor normal nor average size. She's tiny!

[bmcg]

How do users distinguish a thread for talking about a particular skater from a skater "fan thread"? I mean, the Chan uber thread is specifically titled as such. This one isn't.

I don't know. You' ve been around since 2004, maybe you can explain it to me.

[pani]

Facepalm. She asked her that? Seriously? Why this obsession with Tessa's weight, she's perfectly healthy.

Elena V. in good relationships with a lot off coaches. So she just had chat with Marina and could ask everything.
One more journalist Arthur Werner, who is in good item with Igor, all time post messages on his conference about Tessas weight.
I dont know why they try to do this.

[Bournekraatzfan]

I usually lurk. But some of the sentiments in this thread have me puzzled. The rabid, anti-American prejudice....the total paranoia. I usually come to this thread because I have enjoyed watching V-M for years. I have enjoyed watching DW. I love both and would like fairness for both.

I am confused about the sentiments on this thread because:

A. Canada is doing very well in these championships and has much to be proud of and an amazing future. A bronze medal in pairs, a leading man and hopefully a leading lady. Even though I am not Canadian, I am excited about that. But when someone from my country (USA) does well, much hatred seems to spew out from some of these posters. Where is the maturity and goodwill?
B. I have been to both threads (DW) and have not read any threads making fun of individual posters in this thread.
C. I have followed this forum for a long time and I am very deeply disappointed in the maturity expressed here. I do hope this sort of thing does not spread.

Where is the anti-American sentiment?
Some people here are fans of both V&M and D&W, and some are fans of just V&M. That doesn't mean that the latter group has anything against Americans (indeed, some of the people in this group are themselves American). I think the criticism here, for the most part, is directed at the skating and the scoring.

I understand that you are upset about some of the remarks here, but those posters are responsible for their own words and actions. The majority of people here, imo, do not engage in or encourage that kind of behaviour. I, too, follow both threads and have noticed that the nastiness is not confined to this one. Fortunately, those posters seem to be in the minority in both groups.