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    Come hell or high water, yes!! I should be volunteering on Friday night for the SPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Thank you, LilJen! Will you be able to watch any part of the competition this year?

    It currently looks like Skate Detroit will be the main pairs competition in the U.S. this summer. Scimeca/Knierim and Denney/Frazier both have mentioned in recent articles that they will compete in Detroit, just to name two top teams.
    Isn't the Indy Challenge the main Summer event in August? Is it still around? Come to think of it, I believe I read in another thread that something happened to the rink?

    ETA - I just saw another thread open giving tentative dates for Indy Challenge.

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    My hearsay info is that Skate Detroit is this summer's competition of choice of the main U.S. pair coaches.

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    Come hell or high water, yes!! I should be volunteering on Friday night for the SPs.
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    Thanks a million. I'm with you. I just skip the posts with initials. I realize with texting everything is abbreviated, but please take the time to add full names. I know you have good things to say,and this senior citizen is interested. However, initials is just too much mental gymnastics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    My hearsay info is that Skate Detroit is this summer's competition of choice of the main U.S. pair coaches.


    I've heard this is also the choice of Canadian coaches, not to hijack the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Isn't the Indy Challenge the main Summer event in August? Is it still around? Come to think of it, I believe I read in another thread that something happened to the rink?

    ETA - I just saw another thread open giving tentative dates for Indy Challenge.
    Yes, usually it is, but the downtown Indy rink that usually hosts it is closing. It'll be just north of Indy this summer.
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    So if the main US and Canadian pair coaches are sending their teams to Skate Detroit where does that leave Indy Challenge two weeks later?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkl View Post
    So if the main US and Canadian pair coaches are sending their teams to Skate Detroit where does that leave Indy Challenge two weeks later?
    I heard Indy had horrible ice a couple years in a row. It was wet like a lake and endangered the teams so not sure how but there was a consensus that Detroit would now be the main competition for the pairs. I think Canadian teams want to be were the main US teams are so all can gauge how the year will stack up by competing against each other early in the season but this is what I have heard. I think it should be exciting cause most top teams will be there and it is early. Does anyone know if it will be taped by IN or someone else? IF the main teams are there I for sure want to watch it. Exciting year!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    But, don't you think that D/C are maxed out in their scoring potential? They do a great 3twist, the harder throws -3f and 3l, SBS 3toes and 2x-2x seq. and were achieving higher levels on their non-jump and non-throw elements pre-injury. But even doing all that clean, they are stuck around 180 pt. totals and their international scores reflect that they lose a lot of ground to the top teams on the PCS side (which is more of a chronic problem and harder to fix).
    It's tough to say. Some of your scoring potential depends on who you're compete against, quite honestly. We've seen scores for teams like Bazarova/Larionov and Sui/Han really rise in events where they were more of a "favorite". Denney/Coughlin usually ended up going against teams like Volosozhar/Trankov. You can't really score that high in PCS against teams that are so much better than you in PCS (if that makes sense).

    Last year, D/C still were having a tendency to throw away levels here and there. On something like SBS spins, you want that to be level 4 every time. And I'm not sure if they've reached their full potential on lifts. I'd like to see them keep searching for lifts that show that team off in the best possible way.

    They probably can get better program wise, too. Hopefully Marcotte has given them good material. They of course have their weaknesses (some that aren't so fixable), but all the other teams are in the same boat. At the end of the day, D/C will still have fewer weaknesses than pretty much all the others.

    Apologies to anyone confused by posts with initials on this site. I often type out full names and then go back and shorten them to initials in an effort to make my paragraphs less obnoxiously long. It's hard to know what people prefer. I'll try to use more full names now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjeaskategym View Post
    It's tough to say. Some of your scoring potential depends on who you're compete against, quite honestly. We've seen scores for teams like Bazarova/Larionov and Sui/Han really rise in events where they were more of a "favorite". Denney/Coughlin usually ended up going against teams like Volosozhar/Trankov. You can't really score that high in PCS against teams that are so much better than you in PCS (if that makes sense).

    Last year, D/C still were having a tendency to throw away levels here and there. On something like SBS spins, you want that to be level 4 every time. And I'm not sure if they've reached their full potential on lifts. I'd like to see them keep searching for lifts that show that team off in the best possible way.

    They probably can get better program wise, too. Hopefully Marcotte has given them good material. They of course have their weaknesses (some that aren't so fixable), but all the other teams are in the same boat. At the end of the day, D/C will still have fewer weaknesses than pretty much all the others.

    Apologies to anyone confused by posts with initials on this site. I often type out full names and then go back and shorten them to initials in an effort to make my paragraphs less obnoxiously long. It's hard to know what people prefer. I'll try to use more full names now.
    A very thoughtful response. Well said. Immediately, they could try to up the ante by adding a 2nd set of SBS triples to their LP (3-2 or 3-2-2). They are consistent, so maybe it's time, although I'm not sure how much that will add to their score in lieu of a 2x-2x sequence. The comment about their lifts is on the money. There should be level 5 lifts where Caydee is not forced to show off flexibility, effectively masking that weakness? She's no ballerina. But, IDK the various lifts or their values.

    As far as other teams having their weaknesses: I was bored yesterday and watched the best of D/C and S/K on youtube back to back from last season to see the differences. I confirmed my earlier point that the 'potential' is definitely there for a team like S/K to pass D/C. S/K need to learn to intertwine the choreography and that special something into their big elements (ironically, the same issue as D/C). But the ease of movement by S/K and the overall look/positions on the ice as they flow in and out of elements, and even the height / length on the 3 twist and throws, is notably superior to D/C (looks that way anyway), and subsequently IMO gives them a bigger PCS weapon, which given the fact they've only been together 1 year, makes them a pretty big threat to pass them in the coming year(s). It's just something that can't be learned. Of course, it all has to come together for S/K but they are also apparently working hard to strengthen their choreography and interpretation.

    M/B at '12 Nationals had effectively caught up to D/C in the SP (I realize that D/C had a fall, but if you added in points to make up for the fall, I think they'd have been fairly even) after being together just over a year at that point. D/B on paper would be an even more effective team, but of course no judgment can be made. I do like what I see from them in the end of April exhibition programs they performed.

    I guess my broader point is that there are teams with more innate skating skills in the US that might keep D/C out of the top 2. But, we will see how far D/C go in correcting their 'chronic' issues with Julie in Canada. I have teams that I prefer but I don't dislike any of them, and I wish them all the best! Pairs is probably the weakest link of all 4 disciplines for the US, so whoever can break through I will applaud.

    Sorry for the post if it rambles ...

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    ^^ Great assessments (olympic and stjeaskategym) regarding these teams skating strengths and weaknesses. One other thing that always factors in is political favoritism. Denney/ Coughlin appear to have the political edge at the moment, unless something changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    ^^ Great assessments (olympic and stjeaskategym) regarding these teams skating strengths and weaknesses. One other thing that always factors in is political favoritism. Denney/ Coughlin appear to have the political edge at the moment, unless something changes.
    We'll see what happens in the Fall during the GP series. S/K will have some cred from international judges from their top 10 finish at Worlds. But, D/C are still the top US scorers overall.

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    The Skating Lesson's interview with Alexa Scimeca & Chris Knierim (~14 minutes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VmxrHDocQ
    ETA: I had forgotten that Jenny Kirk won 2000 Junior Worlds skating her FS to the Ever After soundtrack, which is Scimeca/Knierim's FS music this season.
    Last edited by Sylvia; 05-30-2013 at 03:41 AM.
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    ^^ They look so cute together ... the opening minutes to the interview were funny. Alexa definitely should keep tweeting all she wants to about her happiness with Chris.


    BTW, I was wondering re the novice pairs who skated at this past U.S. Nationals, which teams are still together? Did Lianna Thomas and David Botero stay together? Has Elise Middleton found a new partner yet?

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    I still think Alexa is Gracie's older sister. They look so much alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    BTW, I was wondering re the novice pairs who skated at this past U.S. Nationals, which teams are still together? Did Lianna Thomas and David Botero stay together? Has Elise Middleton found a new partner yet?
    Known to have split after Nationals - at least one partner is or was listed on IPS: Middleton/Hennings N3, Herr/Lueck N7, Thomas/Botero N10, Erickson/Fleming N11.

    Elise Middleton is skating with Anthony Evans from Texas (he's 21 & too old for the JGP, unfortunately) and they are coached by Peter Oppegard. I haven't heard any news about the others.

    4 Novice teams from Nationals are listed in USFS' International Selection Pool and eligible for JGP consideration: Zaitsev/Stevens N1, Budd/Cheban N2, Takai/Johnson N4 and Dai/Fishman N5. B/C and T/J are scheduled to compete Junior at the Fort Wayne Pair Classic in Indiana next weekend.

    2 other Novice teams from Nationals are scheduled to compete Novice in Fort Wayne: Knoop/Chinault N6, Gallagher/Horton N8, Bertsch/Hale Int1, Burke/Schwab Int2, LaChance/Anderson, Cirinia Gillett/Maximiliano Fernandez (new team coached by Jim Peterson & Lyndon Johnston).
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    Thanks for the detailed information, Sylvia. Do you know why some of the novice skaters are not listed on Ice Network under the Skaters section?

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    Skaters/teams usually get bios on IN if they are/were in the team envelopes A, B or C and/or have represented Team USA internationally. The 2013-14 team envelopes are not yet published online (thread link is http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...Team-Envelopes ).

    ETA that basic profiles of all the Novice Pairs at 2013 Nationals are listed in my blog: http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/2...program-music/
    Last edited by Sylvia; 05-31-2013 at 03:55 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    ^^ They look so cute together ... the opening minutes to the interview were funny. Alexa definitely should keep tweeting all she wants to about her happiness with Chris.


    BTW, I was wondering re the novice pairs who skated at this past U.S. Nationals, which teams are still together? Did Lianna Thomas and David Botero stay together? Has Elise Middleton found a new partner yet?
    I believe Kristen Jennings/Cody Dolkiewicz have split. Alicia Bertsch/Austin Hale (won intermediate) will move up to Novice (still need to pass their Novice test, AFAIK).
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    Thanks for the info! Kristen Jennings/Cody Dolkiewicz placed 9th of 13 Novice pairs at Nationals. Intermediate champs Alicia Bertsch/Austin Hale put up a very good Novice SP score at the Ann Arbor competition earlier this month - I'm compiling the known club comp. pairs scores (Senior to Juvenile) here: http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/s...-pairs-scores/
    Last edited by Sylvia; 05-31-2013 at 05:06 PM.
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