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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    I'm really hoping that Alexa Scimeca and Chris Knierim are able to regroup from his injury and perform their best at Nationals. If they ever fully meet their potential, they are sure to be National Champions. They are the couple who could potentially restore my faith in US pairs skating. They have the ingredients needed to be champions; it's just a matter of mixing what they have together and serving up the most delicious dish at the right time, which will hopefully be at the Boston Nationals in January. Finally, a US pair that relate beautifully with one another and are capable of presenting an elegant program.
    I think they have crap programs this year. The long program in particular is a disaster-- the music doesn't go anywhere, the choreography is all one note. I'm sure Chris' injury has set them back, but she has been making her fair share of mistakes as well this year, including on the throws. There was no pressure on them last year and now there is an expectation that they should make the Olympic team. My guess is that they are feeling it and that's the biggest reason they are struggling right now. I think that second spot is wide open.

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    After McLaughlin/Brubaker missed the shot at Vancouver, I'm not convinced there is a sure thing when it comes to pairs, because they were a whole lot more of a "sure thing" than any of the teams this quad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbk View Post
    After McLaughlin/Brubaker missed the shot at Vancouver, I'm not convinced there is a sure thing when it comes to pairs, because they were a whole lot more of a "sure thing" than any of the teams this quad.

    I totally agree with you there! I dont think there was anyone predicting that Mclaughlin/Brubaker wouldnt make the Olympic team. I honestly think that outside of Denney/Coughlin anything can happen. Every team seems to be having there issues. I dont think any of these teams has had two clean programs in one competition. I think only a few of these teams have skated clean sp. Denny and Counghlin, Kayne and O'Shea
    and Donlan and Speroff are the only teams that I can think of. I am not sure any team has had a mistake free long program yet.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of the teams on the Olympic team being a surprise. Not sure which team it will be, but it will be exicting to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippychick View Post
    I totally agree with you there! I dont think there was anyone predicting that Mclaughlin/Brubaker wouldnt make the Olympic team. I honestly think that outside of Denney/Coughlin anything can happen. Every team seems to be having there issues. I dont think any of these teams has had two clean programs in one competition. I think only a few of these teams have skated clean sp. Denny and Counghlin, Kayne and O'Shea
    and Donlan and Speroff are the only teams that I can think of. I am not sure any team has had a mistake free long program yet.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of the teams on the Olympic team being a surprise. Not sure which team it will be, but it will be exicting to watch.
    I think back to 2010 when Evora/Ladwig ended up on the team. That was quite a competition. I was so excited for E/L, but heartbroken for M/B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippychick View Post
    I totally agree with you there! I dont think there was anyone predicting that Mclaughlin/Brubaker wouldnt make the Olympic team. I honestly think that outside of Denney/Coughlin anything can happen. Every team seems to be having there issues. I dont think any of these teams has had two clean programs in one competition. I think only a few of these teams have skated clean sp. Denny and Counghlin, Kayne and O'Shea
    and Donlan and Speroff are the only teams that I can think of. I am not sure any team has had a mistake free long program yet.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of the teams on the Olympic team being a surprise. Not sure which team it will be, but it will be exicting to watch.
    D/C and Z/B have had clean longs at SA

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    I'm sure Chris' injury has set them back, but she has been making her fair share of mistakes as well this year, including on the throws.
    The problem there is that when one is injured it effects the training for the other. If the boy can't lift, or throw the girl can't train those elements. It is possible she lost many weeks/months of training throws/lifts depending on his limits. Just something to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skatechamp View Post
    The problem there is that when one is injured it effects the training for the other. If the boy can't lift, or throw the girl can't train those elements. It is possible she lost many weeks/months of training throws/lifts depending on his limits. Just something to consider.
    Yes, of course. But IIRC she's also been having her own sbs jump issues. My larger point was that there was no pressure on them last year and now there is an expectation that they should make the Olympic team. That has to be difficult to navigate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    But IIRC she's also been having her own sbs jump issues.
    Just like you can't train lifts or throws without a partner; it is impossible to train a SBS jump without your partner beside you.

    Landing the jump on your own and landing the jump matching the timing of your partner are hugely different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    Just like you can't train lifts or throws without a partner; it is impossible to train a SBS jump without your partner beside you.

    Landing the jump on your own and landing the jump matching the timing of your partner are hugely different things.
    exactly! So many viewers blame the boy if a lift goes down or the girl if a throw goes wrong but the truth is, it's called "Pairs" for a reason. Every element takes two!

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbk View Post
    After McLaughlin/Brubaker missed the shot at Vancouver, I'm not convinced there is a sure thing when it comes to pairs, because they were a whole lot more of a "sure thing" than any of the teams this quad.
    ITA.

    That said, I would just like to say I'm very impressed with both Denney sisters, they were made for pairs skating, and it would be the bomb if they both made the Olympic Team! Just the possibility makes me wonder if two siblings in the "same discipline" in figure skating have ever both made the Olympic Team at the same time? The only ones I can recall that come close is the Hughes sisters, but Sarah made the Team in 2002, whereas her little sister Emily made it in 2006.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NadineWhite View Post
    Just the possibility makes me wonder if two siblings in the "same discipline" in figure skating have ever both made the Olympic Team at the same time?
    Are you excluding various pairs and dance teams who are siblings?

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    ^^^ Maybe a new Trash Can thread can be started for this topic?

    ETA that a link to photos from Scott Hamilton's recent benefit show in Cleveland (including Davis/Brubaker's performance) are posted here: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...=1#post4048694
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    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    Lol I forgot about that part of pairs skating. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be unusual at all in pairs or dance. Just off the top of my head I recall Kitty & Peter Carruthers. But as regards pairs (& dance for that matter) I meant with "different" partners. Not like the Kerrs or the Shibs.

    Anyhow, I think it would be cool to see the phenomenal Denney sisters both make the Olympic Team at the same time with different partners.


    ETA: sorry for straying off topic a bit folks. mea culpa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NadineWhite View Post
    Just the possibility makes me wonder if two siblings in the "same discipline" in figure skating have ever both made the Olympic Team at the same time? The only ones I can recall that come close is the Hughes sisters, but Sarah made the Team in 2002, whereas her little sister Emily made it in 2006.
    Hayes and David Jenkins in 1956, gold and bronze respectively. (David went on to win gold in 1960.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NadineWhite View Post
    ITA.

    That said, I would just like to say I'm very impressed with both Denney sisters, they were made for pairs skating
    They both also have horrible roller skating techniques on their solo jumps.

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    Welcome to FSU, where you can always count on a cheery positive post to be followed by a harshly negative one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    They both also have horrible roller skating techniques on their solo jumps.
    Well at least they usually land them.

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    Welcome to FSU, where you can always count on a cheery positive post to be followed by a harshly negative one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica View Post
    Well at least they usually land them.



    Don't you just love it?
    Not a cCaydee Denney fan but have to give you that one- she eeeks out those jumps almost every time. Rooting for Simon & Marissa but I fear jumps will be their undoing. Such a shame because I find their other elements are of such higher quality than D/C

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    Denney/Coughlin have made nice improvements this year. I really love how they eliminated her weaker lift positions and made their lifts more impressive in the process. They're not without fault, but they pretty much always skate well (oftentimes clean), have 3twist/throws that stand out among the best in the world, and will most likely be crucial to Team USA's medal chances in the team event. Pairs and Mens are the two events where people are predicting the US to give away a lot of points, but on a normal day, D/C should be able to keep us close enough to Canada's pair, which will be a top mission.

    Marissa/Simon's 4S throws so far have been quite impressive. No, she hasn't landed it cleanly in competition yet, but she seems to be able to get it on her feet with relative ease. And in this judging system, that's very much rewarded. For example at NHK, their 4S throw outscored Denney/Frazier's very well done 3Lo throw (speaking of D/F, they are coming along nicely). Because C/S now have the difficulty in throws (they're no longer reliant on the 2A throw), I would love to see them scale back a bit on their SBS jump difficulty. Just focus on one SBS triple, not two. That was working for them last season and seemed to help their confidence.They have a lot going for them (wonderful lifts), but the planned SBS jumps just seem too ambitious and are probably not worth it with all the difficulty they have elsewhere in the program. The bronze medal at NHK could have been theirs (they also lost a couple levels on spins that they normally get).

    Scimeca/Knierim haven't shown their actual abilities so far this season, but it is somewhat expected with his summer injury. Hopefully he did not come back too soon, is feeling healthy, and can regain his confidence in jumping. They had level 3s on SBS spins and pair spin at COC, and their throws are not as consistent as they were last year, so it just seems like they need a little bit more time to get back in the swing of things and get more mileage on their programs (which are a step up from last year). But when she does land a throw (like the 3F in their LP at COC), it's huge and gets great GOE, and you can see that the strong scoring potential is there. Hopefully they'll seem more like themselves their next GP.

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