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    The Soviet Union and Russia are in many ways two very different entities. You want to say Petrenko competited for Russia okay. But then you also have to say G/G competed for Ukraine in 1988.

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    The former Soviet Union is not now called Russia. It is called:

    1. Armenia
    2. Azerbaijan
    3. Belarus
    4. Estonia
    5. Georgia
    6. Kazakhstan
    7. Kyrgyzstan
    8. Latvia
    9. Lithuania
    10. Moldova
    11. Russia
    12. Tajikistan
    13. Turkmenistan
    14. Ukraine
    15. Uzbekistan

    Do you really not realize how offensive/ignorant such a post can seem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NadineWhite View Post
    Like I said it's a matter of semantics, Vagabond, they ALL hail from the former Soviet Union, which is now called Russia. Fact.
    Repeating an incorrect statement does not change it into a fact. Russia was the biggest state in the Soviet Union, but far from the only one. SU included republics that were annexed after WWII (some less willingly than others). Take a look at this link to see all the other former republics that were part of the Soviet Union, but are not definitely *not* called Russia.

    http://www.allrussias.com/images/bul...sions_1989.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater View Post
    The former Soviet Union is not now called Russia. It is called:
    Well in fairness the Russians DID inherit the Soviet Union's debt. None of the other nations did. So in many ways it is the heir. And the Russians do get the blame for all of the bad things that happened by the Soviet. But the Soviets tried hard to suggest you could be a good Ukrainian Soviet etc. Besides didn't the athletes all represent their particular Republics in different inter Soviet competitions.
    Last edited by bek; 03-04-2013 at 05:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater View Post
    The former Soviet Union is not now called Russia. It is called:

    1. Armenia
    2. Azerbaijan
    3. Belarus
    4. Estonia
    5. Georgia
    6. Kazakhstan
    7. Kyrgyzstan
    8. Latvia
    9. Lithuania
    10. Moldova
    11. Russia
    12. Tajikistan
    13. Turkmenistan
    14. Ukraine
    15. Uzbekistan

    Do you really not realize how offensive/ignorant such a post can seem?
    73% of those countries as far as figure skating is concerned represent Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NadineWhite View Post
    Like I said it's a matter of semantics, Vagabond, they ALL hail from the former Soviet Union, which is now called Russia. Fact. There's no disputing that.
    My friends from the Ukraine would beg to differ.
    Use Yah Blinkah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NadineWhite View Post
    Like I said it's a matter of semantics, Vagabond, they ALL hail from the former Soviet Union, which is now called Russia. Fact. There's no disputing that.
    *
    Yes, as others have pointed out, there IS disputing that fact, you obnoxious ignorant tool. Repeating a factually incorrect statement repeatedly and then telling someone who is actually correct that it is "a matter of semantics" is total horsesh*t. Not that anything better is to be expected from you, and oh, I'm sure you "started the ball rolling". But here's an idea; why not check a map, an atlas, google, hell, even wikipedia, before spouting off such totally stupid nonsense?
    I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally.~W. C. Fields

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    This left me curious so I searched through the last 4 olympics for Ladies and Men. There has been quite a few actually and some had even better results at the Olympics than at Jr. Worlds:

    NAGANO
    Country Name JW97 OG98

    AUS JOANNE CARTER 16th - 12th
    AUT JULIA LAUTOWA 6th - 14th
    JPN SHIZUKA ARAKWA 8th - 13th
    RSA SHIRENE HUMAN 26th - 24th
    RUS ELENA SOKOLOVA 2nd - 7th
    BUL IVAN DINEV 11th - 11th
    CHN ZHENGXIN GUO 3rd - 8th
    JPN YAMATO TAMURA 7th - 17th
    KAZ YURI LITVINOV 22nd - 28th
    KOR KYU_HYUN LEE 8th -24th
    SVK ROBERT KAZIMIR 18th - 26th

    SALT LAKE
    Country Name JW01 OG02

    AUS STEPHANIE ZHANG 12th - 25th
    ROU ROXANA LUCA 22nd - 23rd
    BEL KEVIN VAN DER PERREN 16th - 12th
    SUI STEPHANE LAMBIEL 5th - 15th


    TORINO
    Country Name JW05 OG06

    CAN MIRA LEUNG 8th - 12th
    EST ELENA GLEBOVA 20th - 28th
    FIN KIIRA KORPI 10th - 16th
    GEO ELENE GEDEVANISHVILI 5th - 10th
    USA EMILY HUGHES 3rd - 7th
    USA KIMMIE MEISSNER 4th - 6th
    AUT VIKTOR PFIFER 12th - 22nd

    VANCOUVER
    Country Name JW09 OG10

    AUT MIRIAM ZIEGLER 14th - 26th
    GER SARAH HECKEN 7th - 18th
    GEO ELENE GEDEVANISHVILI 6th - 14th
    KOR MIN-JUNG KWAK 22nd - 13th
    RUS ALENA LEONOVA 1st - 9th
    SVK IVANA REITMAYEROVA 8th - 28th
    CZE MICHAL BREZINA 2nd - 10th
    FRA FLORENT AMODIO 15th - 12th
    KAZ DENIS TEN 4th - 11th

    As a curious note Gedevanishvili is the only skater who have achieved this TWICE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NadineWhite View Post

    2010 ~ GOLD Evan Lysacek (2001, 2003, & 2004 jr. bronze medalist three times
    Actually Evan Lysacek won the jr. silver medal three times:

    http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/...-0-file,00.pdf

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    It's so weird that Gedevanishvili competed at Jr Worlds the year before the Olympics - TWICE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loves_Shizuka View Post
    It's so weird that Gedevanishvili competed at Jr Worlds the year before the Olympics - TWICE!
    Yes. She went to Jr Worlds in 04, 05 and 09 and started going to Worlds / Euros / Oly in the 2006 season. IIRC she went to Jr Worlds in 09 to improve her world ranking just enough so that she could have a better short program draw at Worlds - that was the last year she was eligible for Jr Worlds.

    I guess that strategy was reasonable except Georgia didn't end up using that second spot for Vancouver...

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    ^Has anyone else had such a gap between their first and last appearance at a Jr. Worlds? I remember her competing in 09; it just seemed so weird seeing her there having watched first at Torino three years earlier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loves_Shizuka View Post
    ^Has anyone else had such a gap between their first and last appearance at a Jr. Worlds?
    Julia Lautowa first competed at 1994 Junior Worlds, when she was 12 (too young by today's age rules). She also competed at the 1995, 96, 97, 98, and 2000 events, after which she was too old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Yes. She went to Jr Worlds in 04, 05 and 09 and started going to Worlds / Euros / Oly in the 2006 season. IIRC she went to Jr Worlds in 09 to improve her world ranking just enough so that she could have a better short program draw at Worlds - that was the last year she was eligible for Jr Worlds.

    I guess that strategy was reasonable except Georgia didn't end up using that second spot for Vancouver...
    She failed to qualify to the LP at Euros that year so she needed the ranking points for a good draw at Worlds. She actually won the SP at Junior Worlds but bombed the FS. Would've been really weird to have a junior champion three years after making the final olympic group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiK View Post
    She failed to qualify to the LP at Euros that year
    I didn't know (/had forogtten?) that.

    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiK View Post
    Would've been really weird to have a junior champion three years after making the final olympic group.
    Agreed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiK View Post

    VANCOUVER
    Country Name JW09 OG10

    AUT MIRIAM ZIEGLER 14th - 26th
    GER SARAH HECKEN 7th - 18th
    GEO ELENE GEDEVANISHVILI 6th - 14th
    KOR MIN-JUNG KWAK 22nd - 13th
    RUS ALENA LEONOVA 1st - 9th
    SVK IVANA REITMAYEROVA 8th - 28th
    CZE MICHAL BREZINA 2nd - 10th
    FRA FLORENT AMODIO 15th - 12th
    KAZ DENIS TEN 4th - 11th
    Similar to the Gedevanishvili example, many of the skaters above were also at 2009 Senior Worlds:

    Denis Ten - 8th

    Alena Leonova - 7th
    Elena Gedevanishvili - 10th
    Ivana Reitmayerova - 14th


    (Michael Brezina had already been to 2 Europeans).

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    As I said, it's very common for skaters from smaller federations to compete at both junior and senior championships while they're age eligible for both.

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    Laetitia Hubert won junior worlds in 1992 (held in December 1991) at her first attempt. In February 1992, she went to Olympic Games in Albertville, placing 12th. At the world championships in Oakland, Hubert was very close to a medal, placing 5th in the short, 3rd in the free, and 4th overall.

    She had however, been to senior worlds in 1990 and 1991.
    Last edited by essence_of_soy; 03-04-2013 at 04:13 PM.

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    Out of the new Junior Entries

    Martinez, Julia, Jason, Joshua, Stepanova/Bukin, Papadakis/Cizeron
    have a chance to get onto the 2014 Olympics

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    I'm not sure if these have been mentioned:

    In addition to appearing at 2001 Junior worlds, KvdP was the silver medalist in 2002, I think shortly after he finished 12th at SLC (and two years after making his senior Worlds debut).
    The Zhangs were the reigning junior World champions when the competed in SLC (finishing 11th).
    The Zaretskis finished 4th at 2005 Junior Worlds (how they were able to manage that despite training in Metulah while Roman served in the IDF is a mystery) and 22nd in Torino.

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