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    Junior World Competitor one year, Olympian the next?

    With the conclusion of 2013 Junior Worlds in Milan, how often does it occur that a JW competitor qualifies for the Olympics the following year? Has a competitor who medals at JW ever medaled at the Olympics the subsequent year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Cooper View Post
    how often does it occur that a JW competitor qualifies for the Olympics the following year?
    Quite often, in countries with smaller fields.

    Has a competitor who medals at JW ever medaled at the Olympics the subsequent year?
    Now that's a much smaller pool to draw on. I don't believe that has ever been done.

    I can think of a handful who have won medals at Jr. Worlds and then won medals at Worlds the following year (Chen 1991/92, Szewczenko 1993/94, Kulik 1995/96, Yagudin 1996/97, Plushenko 1997/98) or the same year (Chen 1992). THere might be one or two more in the 30-some years of Jr. Worlds. Note that many of those world medals were won in post-Olympic Worlds, where some of the top skaters from that year's Olympics might be missing.

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    2009 JW competitors at the 2010 Olympics: Brezina, Leonova, Amodio, Gedevanishivili, Hecken, Lafuente, Morand/Dorsaz.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    Quite often, in countries with smaller fields.



    Now that's a much smaller pool to draw on. I don't believe that has ever been done.

    I can think of a handful who have won medals at Jr. Worlds and then won medals at Worlds the following year (Chen 1991/92, Szewczenko 1993/94, Kulik 1995/96, Yagudin 1996/97, Plushenko 1997/98) or the same year (Chen 1992). THere might be one or two more in the 30-some years of Jr. Worlds. Note that many of those world medals were won in post-Olympic Worlds, where some of the top skaters from that year's Olympics might be missing.
    There are also Yuna and Mao in 2006/2007.

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    Kimmie and Emily both skated Jr worlds in 2005 right? And then made the Olympics in 2006.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Cooper View Post
    With the conclusion of 2013 Junior Worlds in Milan, how often does it occur that a JW competitor qualifies for the Olympics the following year? Has a competitor who medals at JW ever medaled at the Olympics the subsequent year?

    This is such an interesting question that it made me think how many Olympic Medalists came from Jr. Worlds?

    By the way, in anwer to your question, B.Cooper, no one to my knowledge has ever medalled at Jr. Worlds one year (since its inception in 1976) and subsequently went on to medal the next year at the Olympics. Oops, I'm talking about the M-E-N only. Its never been done before. Period (though Evgeni Plushenko won Jr. Worlds in 1997, but at age 15 he never got the chance to go to the 1998 Olympics the next year).

    And in answer to *MY* question up above, since 1988 all Mens' Olympic Medalists had medalled at Jr. Worlds at least once:


    1988 ~ GOLD Brian Boitano (1978 jr. bronze medalist), BRONZE Viktor Petrenko (1984 jr. gold medalist)

    1992 ~ GOLD Viktor Petrenko (1984 jr. gold medalist), SILVER Paul Wylie (1981 jr. gold medalist)

    1994 ~ GOLD Alexei Urmanov (1990 jr. silver medalist)

    1998 ~ GOLD Ilia Kulik (1993 jr. bronze medalist & 1995 jr. gold medalist)

    2002 ~ GOLD Alexei Yagudin (1996 jr. gold medalist), SILVER Evgeni Plushenko (1997 jr. gold medalist), BRONZE Timothy Goebel (1997 jr. silver medalist)

    2006 ~ GOLD Evgeni Plushenko (1997 jr. gold medalist)

    2010 ~ GOLD Evan Lysacek (2001, 2003, & 2004 jr. bronze medalist three times), SILVER Evgeni Plushenko (1997 jr. gold medalist), BRONZE Daisuke Takahashi (2002 jr. gold medalist)


    Btw, only the Russian Men have won both jr. worlds and the olympics (Petrenko, Kulik, Yagudin, Plushenko).

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    Petrenko isn't Russian.

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    Well he was when he won Jr. Worlds in 1984 (see here): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_J..._Championships

    Btw, more interesting facts (about the American men only), leastways to me:


    Mark Cockerell ~ 1976 jr. gold medalist; never medalled at the Olympics (13th in 1984)

    Christopher Bowman ~ 1983 jr. gold medalist; ditto (7th in 1988 & 4th in 1992)

    Rudy Galindo ~ 1987 jr. gold medalist, 1986 jr. silver medalist, 1985 jr. bronze medalist ; never got the chance to skate at the Olympics, yet he did capture bronze at Big Worlds in 1996.

    Todd Eldredge ~ 1988 jr. gold medalist, 1987 jr. silver medalist; never medalled at the Olympics (10th in 1992, 4th in 1998, 6th in 2002).

    Michael Weiss ~ 1994 jr. gold medalist, 1993 jr. silver medalist; ditto (7th in both 1998 & 2002).

    Johnny Weir ~ 2001 jr. gold medalist; ditto (5th in 2006 & 6th in 2010)

    Matthew Savoie ~ 2000 jr. bronze medalist; ditto (7th in in 2006)




    And the following American men never made it to the Olympics, despite medalling at jr. worlds:


    Scott Williams (1982 jr. gold medalist & 1981 jr. bronze medalist)

    Erik Larson (1985 jr. gold medalist)

    Shepherd Clark (1989 jr. silver medalist)

    Damon Allen (1992 jr. bronze medalist)

    Jere Michael (1994 jr. bronze medalist)

    Derrick Delmore (1998 jr. gold medalist)

    Jordan Brauninger (2004 jr. bronze medalist)

    Stephen Carriere (2007 jr. gold medalist)

    Adam Rippon (2008 & 2009 jr. gold medalist both times)


    ONLY 3 American men have medalled at both Jr. Worlds and the Olympics:


    Paul Wylie ~ 1981 jr. gold medalist & 1992 Olympic silver medalist

    Timothy Goebel ~ 1997 jr. silver medalist & 2002 Olympic silver medalist

    Evan Lysacek ~ 2001, 2003, 2004 jr. silver medalist three times & 2010 Olympic gold medalist

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    Quote Originally Posted by NadineWhite
    By the way, in anwer to your question, B.Cooper, no one to my knowledge has ever medalled at Jr. Worlds one year (since its inception in 1976) and subsequently went on to medal the next year at the Olympics. Oops, I'm talking about the M-E-N only. Its never been done before. Period (though Evgeni Plushenko won Jr. Worlds in 1997, but at age 15 he never got the chance to go to the 1998 Olympics the next year).
    Maybe this can be broken by the newly crowned Junior medalists? Their great showing has created a lot of excitement which is understandable.
    Prosperity makes friends, adversity tries them. – Publilius Syrus

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    Anybody that knows me knows that I LOVE to see records broken, and that too would be a first, spikydurian, if any one of those men medalled at next year's Olympics.

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    The reason I asked this question was to see if Jr Worlds is a good predictor or perhaps a better term or phrase....is it the first major international step to the Olympic podium, in any of the 4 disciplines. Maybe the better question or more interesting question is.....How often does it happen that an Olympic medalist has not come out of the Jr World podiums?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proustable View Post
    2009 JW competitors at the 2010 Olympics: Brezina, Leonova, Amodio, Gedevanishivili, Hecken, Lafuente, Morand/Dorsaz.....
    But Leonova and Gedevanishvilly had been already competing at senior level. They went to junior worlds just as a warm up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    But Leonova and Gedevanishvilly had been already competing at senior level. They went to junior worlds just as a warm up.
    Oh, I know. Technically correct, but certainly not in the spirit of the question. I'm pretty sure Brezina went to Euros the 08/09 season as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Cooper View Post
    The reason I asked this question was to see if Jr Worlds is a good predictor or perhaps a better term or phrase....is it the first major international step to the Olympic podium, in any of the 4 disciplines. Maybe the better question or more interesting question is.....How often does it happen that an Olympic medallist has not come out of the Jr World podiums?
    Off the top of my head, Stephane Lambiel's highest Junior Worlds finish was 5th & Jeffrey Buttle finished 7th at his only Junior Worlds in 2001 - so that's 2/3 of the men's 2006 Olympic medallists! Don't think Joannie Rochette ever medalled at JW either, Pang/Tong didn't, Robin Szolkowy never did, although he wasn't partnered with Savchenko at the time - so it doesn't seem to be that rare an occurrence.

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    That's a tough question - does that mean that the competitor had never even competed in Senior Nationals prior to the Olympic year?

    The Meissner and Hughes example technically is correct, but both were at Senior US Nationals in 2005 (3rd and 6th)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NadineWhite View Post
    Well he was when he won Jr. Worlds in 1984 (see here): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_J..._Championships
    No, he wasn't. He never skated for Russia. Look at that Wikipedia page more carefully and then go brush up on your Twentieth-Century world history.

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    To me it's a matter of semantics, Vagabond, in regards to Viktor Petrenko. Whatever the case they ALL hail from the former Soviet Union, now called Russia. And only they (i.e. Petrenko, Kulik, Yagudin, Plushenko) have won both jr. worlds & the Olympics. Fact.

    Anyhow, this has been an interesting thread for me, and a nice way to spend part of the weekend checking out old results and being impressed. Thanks for starting this thread, B.Cooper. (:^)

    In the end ANYTHING can happen, I sincerely believe that, but it's nice to know that ALL Mens Olympic Gold Medalists have medalled at Jr. Worlds. Now as regards Olympic silver & bronze, that's another story, as seen by Orser, Barna, Stojko, Candeloro, Lambiel, Buttle.

    Btw, need to correct an error in my original post, only TWICE has it happened that ALL Olympic Medalists had medalled at jr. worlds as well, that was in 2002 (Yagudin, Plushenko, Goebel) & 2010 (Lysacek, Plushenko, Takahashi).

    One thing is almost a guarantee, and that is the next Mens Olympic Gold Medalist will have medalled at jr. worlds; we shall see...

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    Petrenko hailed from that part of the Soviet Union now called Ukraine.

    It's okay, NadineWhite. You established in a recent thread that facts and history don't factor into your opinions. To each his own.

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    Like I said it's a matter of semantics, Vagabond, they ALL hail from the former Soviet Union, which is now called Russia. Fact. There's no disputing that.

    Now do you have something to add to this thread, or just want to continue to bitch about me? If so you can do so privately, I'll start the engine rolling.

    Apologies to B.Cooper, et al, for derailing this thread, which I have enjoyed tremendously! *heart*

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    Petrenko represented Russia (the Soviet Union) in 1984 at Jr. Worlds and represented Russia in 1988 at the Olympics where he received the bronze medal. In 1992 he represented the "Unified Team."

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