(Deleted - duplicate, sorry)
Last edited by Susan M; 03-06-2013 at 10:58 AM.
MY TAKE: If a skater or team stops during a competitive program, the music should continue. The skater(s) can resume at any point as the music continues. When the music is completed, the skater or team is judged on what was completed. (If there is an injury, and the skater cannot continue, it is considered a withdrawal.)
Compulsory dances are so short, I don't think there is the same endurance issue as in a free skate or free dance. It would be interesting to see over the years how many times these stoppages came in free skates rather than SP/SD. Just by the minutes involved, the ratio should be around 8:5 but I'd guess the freeskate stoppages have been much more frequent. Maybe knowing the end of the program is in sight would make a skater more likely to just push thru in the SP rather than stop.I'm not a high level skater, but the few times I tried compulsory dances getting in the right rhythm and count was by far the biggest challenge.
I don't think any of us accuses any particular skaters of stopping due to some deliberate strategy. How or why they choose to stop, it is still undeniable that a skater who uses the rule gets the benefit of a breather and the advantage of not having to skate the program all the way through.Hanca, I think you're implying that the rule is "open" to abuse and I'm sure you don't mean that was the intent of anyone this season.
Exactly. The athletes are entirely on their honor to stop only when too ill or injured to continue. The problem is that once this practice starts, then other skaters will be more likely to use it, possibly for milder and milder issues. I don't think there is any question the rule is open to abuse.I'm not sure that three minutes would necessarily be enough time to have someone examine the skater and diagnose any injury even if that were the purpose of the rule in the first place.
I think if their dresses fall off they should get a +2 for PE!
"Cupcakes are bullshit. And everyone knows it. A cupcake is just a muffin with clown puke topping." -Charlie Brooker
V&M's loss at 4CC provides an example of the disadvantage. There was just no way they could beat D&W after that, because of the disruption to the program. One might argue that by stopping and starting, they lost fewer points than they would have had they just missed the element. But again, I don't see how skaters can make the choice to say they were injured in order to restart their program. In the case of V&M or Zhangs, the injuries were obvious.
The current rule does not allow skaters to redo an element, so that whole issue is a non-starter. For example, if a skater falls on a jump so badly they can't get up and continue without a break, the program and scoring pick up after the jump, so the fall still counts.I really don't think - as some here suggest - that skaters intentionally stop and cry injury in order to redo an element.
Actually, in the case of V-M, the injury was not at all evident. She simply refused to let Scott lift her, then glided around, using both legs, for 15 or 20 seconds. She didn't limp, she didn't even lean over and rub the offending muscle (at least not on the videos I saw), and after the break she skated like there was nothing wrong. I don't suggest this was somehow a ploy but it is an example of an injury whose severity was not at all obvious and where the referee had to take the skater's word about the problem.In the case of V&M or Zhangs, the injuries were obvious.
Last edited by Susan M; 03-06-2013 at 11:13 AM.
I was referring to the tweets about Zhang and Wu where they said - Zhang and Wu have stopped their program - looks like issue with Zhang and then another tweet that says They are continuing.
7 of 9 judges voted for it.
However, as in other cases of stoppages, you can't tell from the protocol that anything happened. They finished 17th in the FD. None of their elements had negative GOE. And there's no judge whose PCS votes aren't within +/-.5 of each other.
While I'm looking at Papadakis & Cizeron, their PCS was 43.86; Stepanova & Bukin's was 45.31, while Aldridge & Eaton got 42.80; clearly their PCS was pretty much what they would have gotten if they skated perfectly, since I sincerely doubt they would have passed S&B in PCS, given that their PCS was behind S&B in the SD.
In fact, you can show that there was no real deduction at all, despite that having been a flawed skate due to her ankle, not just an interrupted skate.
SD FD SS 7.32 7.32 Link f/2 7.11 7.18 Perf 7.50 7.36 Choreo 7.36 7.46 Interp 7.39 7.32
They got 0.07 less for Interpretation & Timing than they did in the SD & 0.14 less in Performance- and given the total lack of timing & disruption of the program during the three part twizzle section(which is long enough to be a significant portion of the program), that seems very generous to me.
So no, there is no evidence at all that stopping hurts your PCS at this Jr Worlds.
Last edited by DORISPULASKI; 03-06-2013 at 02:19 PM.