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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    The fact it, you can't say for sure that you are not eating it too!
    Hey- I said "that might change".

    I can say for sure I am not eating it. I rarely eat any meat at all, and when I do- I know the person who raised it, and they can tell me the animal's name

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    I'm beginning to wonder how many people have actually been to America, and if they have, where and how much of an effort they put into finding "quality" food because a lot of what I'm reading is based on generalities, stereotypes, and heresy.

    Like many other countries, the U.S. is a diverse place and different areas will offer up different kinds of foods. Also, different restaurants will offer up different kinds of food. A restaurant serving higher quality ingredients can exist in U.S. and it doesn't have to be a high-priced place either.

    Or we can just be lazy and assume every where in America is the same serving up highly-processed crap dipped in lots of oil and fat ready to be served in giant portions to the fattest people in the world.

    Yes, I know there are huge debates regarding the types of steroids put into our meats or the types of diet cattle/pigs/chickens are fed and even what the heck organic means. However, I bet most people are thinking about how the food is actually prepped and cooked because I bet most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference in terms of taste if they got two steaks with one from a typical American butchery and one from a European place if both were of similar kind and prepared the same way.

    Anyway, I'm sure if people really do think the quality of food in America is subpar to every other country in the world, they can go to Portland and be happy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2LBICPEK6w

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
    Sidewalks? Sidewalks????? Well, I'll just have to open the passenger door and push the boy out in Garfield if he wants to come to New Jersey for sidewalks.
    garfield isnt really the best you can do for him if he wants sidewalks is it? at least drive him into weehawken
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    kwanfan1818, fyi: there are lots of McDonalds in Russia & they are PACKED.
    Is McDonalds a default, though, i.e., what you bring home when you can't cook and pizza is out of the way?

    I remember the McDonalds in Munich being packed in 1977, but, at least at lunchtime, mostly by businessmen, because only they could afford 3,75DM for a Big Mac (when they were barely over $1 in the US, and people were and because one was opening just off the Ringstrasse in Vienna.

    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    If I were a skater watching my weight, and they all are, no matter what country I came from, I'd steer clear of rink food. I'd bring my own lunches and snacks, consisting mostly of veg, some fruit & lean protein.
    That's great, but what if you go to the local market and buy your own sandwich fixings: the salami and chicken/turkey breast is processed and generally has a lot of salt. It's not that easy to avoid empty calories without a lot of effort, let alone in another language when you're in a place intermittently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zemgirl View Post
    I don't know if the US has the greatest abundance of good food; there are many places were fresh, good food is easily available and inexpensive. OTOH, it can certainly difficult to access quality produce in many places in the US - in some cases, even if you are willing to pay top dollar. This was my own experience, and though that's somewhat dated by now, I've heard the same from friends who've been to the US more recently.
    It's not a matter of not being able to find it, but there's a cultural difference between being settled in a place with routines, where you know that pretty much whatever store you go into is selling you something relatively healthy, and having to go out of your way to eat healthy, like being able to get to and meet up with the farmer to get his/her meat or head to the local farmers' market when they're open. That's where it's probably easier for Leonova to get to NYC than to the three or four places she'd need to go to get those ingredients.

    (I'm just bummed that the farmers I buy from changed their bi-monthly delivery date, and I was away. I may have just missed the last chance to get lamb for the season )

    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    But as for the 'crap' in our food, so far, none of our meat has been found to be horse. (That might change, but so far- it appears we have a better idea of what we are eating than many European countries.)
    No, our meat/chicken has been found to have, literally, crap in it, as well as fecal bacteria, pink slime and ammonia, not to mention antibiotics.

    I think Ziggy's point, if I understand it correctly, is that not having sidewalks on which people can walk is an indication of a car culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemgirl View Post
    Does horse meat count as crap, though? Is it unhealthy, or is the idea just icky?
    This is for you, Zemgirl, and anyone else who really want to know:

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    Quote Originally Posted by my little pony View Post
    garfield isnt really the best you can do for him if he wants sidewalks is it? at least drive him into weehawken
    Oh no no, no Weehawken, he's getting booted out of my rude Amerikan car in Garfield if he wants to come over here for some fancy sidewalks. I think he'd find Garfield to be rather.....familiar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    I'm beginning to wonder how many people have actually been to America, and if they have, where and how much of an effort they put into finding "quality" food because a lot of what I'm reading is based on generalities, stereotypes, and heresy.

    Like many other countries, the U.S. is a diverse place and different areas will offer up different kinds of foods. Also, different restaurants will offer up different kinds of food. A restaurant serving higher quality ingredients can exist in U.S. and it doesn't have to be a high-priced place either.

    Or we can just be lazy and assume every where in America is the same serving up highly-processed crap dipped in lots of oil and fat ready to be served in giant portions to the fattest people in the world.

    Yes, I know there are huge debates regarding the types of steroids put into our meats or the types of diet cattle/pigs/chickens are fed and even what the heck organic means. However, I bet most people are thinking about how the food is actually prepped and cooked because I bet most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference in terms of taste if they got two steaks with one from a typical American butchery and one from a European place if both were of similar kind and prepared the same way.

    Anyway, I'm sure if people really do think the quality of food in America is subpar to every other country in the world, they can go to Portland and be happy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2LBICPEK6w
    But that's exactly the problem - how much effort someone like Leonova can put into finding good food. I've lived in the US for 12 years now and by now I know how to eat well, but during my first year, when I didn't speak much English and didn't have a car, I ate what was easy to find and that was mostly not good. It took me some time to understand how things are organized here, ask around for an advice of local people, get a car. None of that is possible for Leonova while she is here for just a month. If I were her, I guarantee I would have no idea where all the good food is supposed to be.

    And while both good and bad food is available in both the US and Europe, I still find that you have to put a lot more effort and do a lot more research to eat well in the US than in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    Is McDonalds a default, though, i.e., what you bring home when you can't cook and pizza is out of the way?
    not any more than it is here. Quite a few young people in there too.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818
    That's great, but what if you go to the local market and buy your own sandwich fixings: the salami and chicken/turkey breast is processed and generally has a lot of salt. It's not that easy to avoid empty calories without a lot of effort, let alone in another language when you're in a place intermittently.
    Who is making you buy lunch meat? That's not what I mean by lean protein. It IS easy to avoid deli meat--didn't see anyone being held to a gun point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    I'm beginning to wonder how many people have actually been to America, and if they have, where and how much of an effort they put into finding "quality" food because a lot of what I'm reading is based on generalities, stereotypes, and heresy.
    Heresy? Are hamburgers a religion in the US?

    Speaking of horse meat, it's kind of a taboo here for similar reasons as the UK. There's a stall at a farmer's market in the city centre that sells horse meat steak baguettes.
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    I"m not going to address quality of US food, as that can vary between regions, and no doubt is more difficult to obtain if there is a language barrier and that person is not familiar with the area. I do feel for anyone who moves across the world for their job or to train for their sport, and I admire Leonova's drive and determination. I don't blame her at all for missing her home, friends, family, and for not being totally in love with the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    I have to go as far as the nearest grocery store.
    Me too, and I can walk to 4 of them, 2 of them being organic markets. I guess that makes me lucky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    I'm beginning to wonder how many people have actually been to America, and if they have, where and how much of an effort they put into finding "quality" food because a lot of what I'm reading is based on generalities, stereotypes, and heresy.
    In my case, it's based on experience living in cities on both coasts of the US and Vancouver, BC.

    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    Like many other countries, the U.S. is a diverse place and different areas will offer up different kinds of foods. Also, different restaurants will offer up different kinds of food. A restaurant serving higher quality ingredients can exist in U.S. and it doesn't have to be a high-priced place either.
    The issue is that too many restaurant supplies that aren't fresh fruit and vegetables, particularly condiments, cheeses, sauces and soups that aren't made from scratch, are from the same sources that stock supermarket shelves. That isn't even considering the meat. Since the margin for food in restaurants is relatively slim, the cheaper the better.

    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    Or we can just be lazy and assume every where in America is the same serving up highly-processed crap dipped in lots of oil and fat ready to be served in giant portions to the fattest people in the world.
    I went to Four Continents in Colorado Springs last year, and there were a handful of restaurants within walking distance of the hotel and arena. I would say that described every one of them. I'll eat the occasional deep-friend pickle like most people, but it was hard to spend a week there and eat reasonably.

    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    However, I bet most people are thinking about how the food is actually prepped and cooked because I bet most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference in terms of taste if they got two steaks with one from a typical American butchery and one from a European place if both were of similar kind and prepared the same way.
    Considering that most people's butchery is a supermarket or grocery store, not a traditional butcher, the difference is quite remarkable. I didn't know what chicken tasted like until I had a chicken sandwich from an average corner sandwich shop in Le Marais. The trois fromages sandwich was like night and day for what passes for cheese at a typical sandwich shop in NYC, Seattle, Vancouver, Boston, Philadelphia, or even Portland.

    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    Anyway, I'm sure if people really do think the quality of food in America is subpar to every other country in the world, they can go to Portland and be happy:
    I don't remember anyone saying every other country in the world.

    Portland has sidewalks and great public transportation, though
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    Quote Originally Posted by allezfred View Post
    Heresy? Are hamburgers a religion in the US?


    I meant "hearsay." Although, now that you bring it up, I had my first Bison burger when I was in New Haven, CT last weekend, and it was so good that I could have worshipped it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyWarhol View Post
    I'd take moaning over "i loved this experience bla bla bla" likes that we usually get.
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    boy o boy do I agree with this statement! I personally hate pc... for instance all those carefully calculated enthusiastic
    comments, designed to flatter the interviewer and not to irritate any possible viewers for ex. "we're so lucky to have had this incredible possibility and hope that it enriches our training experience" insufferably cloying comments that I have heard from the likes of Charlie & Meryl for instance a million times. (as much as I love 'em!) and as far as Leonova goes, let's face it guys, US food is normally really BAD even if one can afford to go to a restaurant, much less in a community dining setting such as athletes use. Not that Russian food, in my experience, is any better, it's just......different, but I live in Italy, land of food obsessed people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    Or we can just be lazy and assume every where in America is the same serving up highly-processed crap dipped in lots of oil and fat ready to be served in giant portions to the fattest people in the world.
    The fattest people in the world live in Nauru.

    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    Yes, I know there are huge debates regarding the types of steroids put into our meats or the types of diet cattle/pigs/chickens are fed and even what the heck organic means.
    We must be due for another round on the subject. It's been at least three months since the last one.

    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaPug View Post
    Me too, and I can walk to 4 of them, 2 of them being organic markets. I guess that makes me lucky!
    I'm sorry you had to work at finding what you consider good food just to find that these places were in your backyard all along.

    I guess I'm lucky that I didn't have to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    I'm sorry you had to work at finding what you consider good food just to find that these places were in your backyard all along.

    I guess I'm lucky that I didn't have to do that.
    I didn't have to work at finding these places. My posts were referring to Leonova's situation, not my own. I personally find fresh food very easy to find, and only wish her circumstances were different or she had more discretionary time to explore her options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milanessa View Post
    Yeah, like it's any different in Europe. I lived in a small village in England and we got one bus a day to go into town to shop/work. Didn't fit your schedule? Tough. Don't you live in a city?
    I live in a tiny little town in NE Italy and there are buses every 30 min to the nearest big city. so it's not necessarily true throughout Europe.

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    I've spent quite a bit of time in Southern Italy. It was so lovely. But did you know that ouside of big cities all they have is Italian food? Horrors! One can only eat so much pasta and pizza in 4 weeks. After a while we were craving sushi, burritos, pho and Thai food. Why? Because I live in one of the most diverse places in the world in terms of cuisine. I can't think of a major world cuisine that can't be found where I live.

    But did it occur to me to bitch about Italy, or goodness forbid about authentic Italian food I was forced to eat for several weeks straight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    I'm beginning to wonder how many people have actually been to America, and if they have, where and how much of an effort they put into finding "quality" food because a lot of what I'm reading is based on generalities, stereotypes, and heresy.
    Why travel when you can pontificate in the safety and comfort of your own home?

    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    Like many other countries, the U.S. is a diverse place and different areas will offer up different kinds of foods. Also, different restaurants will offer up different kinds of food. A restaurant serving higher quality ingredients can exist in U.S. and it doesn't have to be a high-priced place either.


    Quote Originally Posted by babayaga View Post
    But that's exactly the problem - how much effort someone like Leonova can put into finding good food. I've lived in the US for 12 years now and by now I know how to eat well, but during my first year, when I didn't speak much English and didn't have a car, I ate what was easy to find and that was mostly not good. It took me some time to understand how things are organized here, ask around for an advice of local people, get a car. None of that is possible for Leonova while she is here for just a month. If I were her, I guarantee I would have no idea where all the good food is supposed to be.
    Unless I have missed something, Leonova hasn't said anything publicly about the food she gets in the U.S. (The Olympics were in Canada.)

    I would expect that, as in Novogorsk, she doesn't really have to put any effort into marketing or cooking. Unless Morozov's entire team goes out to restaurants three times a day, this is probably handled for her by her coach, who has spent several years living in the U.S. and speaks fairly good English, or by one of his assistants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Unless I have missed something, Leonova hasn't said anything publicly about the food she gets in the U.S. (The Olympics were in Canada.)
    I thought the whole big deal is because she said in the interview translated in the beginning of the thread that she is uncomfortable with the american food among other things.

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