View Poll Results: Better Performance - Virtue/Moir in 2010 or Davis/White in 2014?

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    118 44.87%
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    140 53.23%
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    Virtue/Moir in 2010 or Davis/White in 2014?

    Which was the better overall performance - Virtue/Moir at the 2010 Olympics or Davis/White at the 2014 Olympics?

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    I went with V&M in 2010 just because I thought their skating and performances there were so magical. That is not to say Davis & White weren't excellent in 2014 and deserving of winning (and excellent in 2010 in coming 2nd), and that V&M weren't excellent again in 2014 in coming 2nd. Just V&M in Vancouver had that special something that put it a bit above for me.

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    Both were as technically good, but V&M in 2010 did have more magic than D&W in 2014. Scheherezade didn't seem quite impactful enough for an Olympic program.. not that V&M picked the best program last season, either. Both were quite underwhelming. It's too bad D&W hadn't left Phantom for Sochi.

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    Phantom is kind of a generic piece to use in this day in age. I would rather see D&W do one of their 2011-2013 FDs in Sochi.

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    V/M 2014. That short dance alone worths another OGM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forthewin View Post
    V/M 2014. That short dance alone worths another OGM.
    ITA

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Phantom is kind of a generic piece to use in this day in age. I would rather see D&W do one of their 2011-2013 FDs in Sochi.
    Die Fleidermaus wouldn't have been a bad choice, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forthewin View Post
    V/M 2014. That short dance alone worths another OGM.
    their short dance performance was the best performance in the whole competition including free dances and should ve single-handedly won them another gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forthewin View Post
    V/M 2014. That short dance alone worths another OGM.
    Yes. Should have been in the lead by a wide margin and probably should have gotten a perfect score.

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    Yep totally agree! I could see either winning with the 2014 FD's, but the 2014 SD was no contest and should have had V/M in a solid lead. That was imo their top program of their entire competitive career, even surpassing what they did in 2010.

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    VM 's SD was spectacular. Should have had a significant lead.

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    I think V/M's SD is by far the best SD I've seen since SDs were created. It was like a real OD. But then I'm not a big fan of the SD format.
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    V&M were better in 2014 than 2010 and still lost handily to the 2014 D&W. So obviously D&W of 2014. V&M have more fans on this forum so will win the poll though, regardless if it makes sense or not. Like all FSU polls the popular one wins, no critical thinking is involved, and everyone just votes who they like most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvestercat View Post
    V&M were better in 2014 than 2010 and still lost handily to the 2014 D&W. So obviously D&W of 2014. V&M have more fans on this forum so will win the poll though, regardless if it makes sense or not. Like all FSU polls the popular one wins, no critical thinking is involved, and everyone just votes who they like most.
    I believe the Sochi Olympics was more to do with protocol judging and the fact that Virtue/Moir had competed with a history of so many errors while Davis/White had competed with a history of so many clean performances that the tables had turned and fortunes/momentum had shifted so much in favor of Meryl & Charlie that the judges believed Tessa & Scott to be the inferior team. Even though they were flawless in the individual SD & FD, Virtue & Moir's tarnished reputation of making so many mistakes had legitimately delegated them to 2nd best in the framework of the competition. They needed mistakes from Davis & White to help them get to gold, which wasn't going to happen. Flawless consistency helped ensure the victory for Davis & White.

    It probably would have helped Tessa & Scott more too if they had dumbed down their concept for their 2014 season FD. I don't think a lot of people understood what they were trying to convey and when you are presenting your material before a multilingual/multinational judging panel and audience, it's probably best not to air on the side of confusion, particularly during the biggest season of an athlete's career (Olympic season). I truly believe their 2013 season FD to Carmen if skated flawlessly with ease and confidence would have been tremendously well received in Russia and along with the strike contrast of their 2014 SD would have made such a dramatic and versatile color palette and impression on everyone; perhaps so much that Tessa & Scott might have been able to squeeze out another Olympic win. Just in my personal opinion, Tessa & Scott's 2014 FD did not exhibit as much growth, versatility, or improvement from 2010 as Meryl & Charlie's progression from 2010 to 2014; it was clear that Davis & White had gotten better since Vancouver. Nevertheless, I agree with the consensus that Tessa & Scott's 2014 SD was better than any other dance presented in Sochi from any team in the event. So charming, so romantic, and so magical!
    Last edited by museksk8r; 07-20-2014 at 12:52 PM.

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    Your points are all very good. I am sure the momentum and consistency Davis & White had built up and shown was in their favor, and against Virtue & Moir. To those talking about the so called controversial wins or favortism for D&W over V&M, which might have existed in the last year; just keep in mind it works both ways. Virtue & Moir made mistakes at both the 2010 and 2012 worlds and won over D&W who skated cleanly. 2012 especialy was silly, when V&M had that awful FD which was their worst ever this year, and made a big mistake on top of that. Still won both the TES and PCS. Judging was just as biased to them then, as it might be to D&W now, but just like D&W now, V&M had the momentum and built up years of the judging favor at that point.

    I do agree V&M should have won the OD in Sochi. I agreed with D&W winning the FD though, and perhaps they still win overall. Who knows. I still think both D&W and V&M of 2014 would beat either V&M or D&W of 2010, so in this thread D&W should be the obvious winners as the question is asked. Neither V&M or D&W were totally unchallengable in 2010 like they were in 2014. Had Domnina & Shabalin and Delobel & Schoenfelder been healthy and really ready for the 2010 games D&W probably wouldnt have even medaled, and V&M would have been much more hardly challenged.

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    Davis & White of course. V&M's scores from Vancouver translated to the current scoring factored points would not have even beaten I&K for the silver in Sochi. V&M are a better team now then 2010, as both D&W and V&M are incredible skaters who kept improving all the time, and they still lost to D&W in Sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvestercat View Post
    2012 especialy was silly, when V&M had that awful FD which was their worst ever this year, and made a big mistake on top of that. Still won both the TES and PCS.
    I think it wasn't silly at all. You may think that 'Funny Face' was "awful", but that's just your personal taste, nothing more. Skating wise it was probably their most difficult FD and much more difficult than Davis/White's 'Die Fledermaus' with it's constant two footed skating (only 'Notre Dame' rivaled it in that regard). Also, the so called "big mistake" didn't happen on an element, therefore that stumble (which wasn't even that noticeable during the skate itself - at least on TV) can't be considered such a big mistake at all, and there was no way how it could have influenced their TES. And, considering the aforesaid, it was not surprising that Virtue/Moir still got the better Skating Skills component mark. The Execution part of the Performance/Execution component is really the only part where they could have lost a bit, but, considering that they still had the better lines, toe-point and skated closer to each other, even that is debatable. Probably the Transitions component could have been more equal - I would have to rewatch both FDs now to really tell. The Choreography component is not about which choreography you think is nicer or more "exciting", many more things are involved in it which would be too lengthy to discuss for me at the moment. And Interpretation is not about which music is more universally liked - often the music that less people like is more difficult to interpret which I think this was the case here.

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    Most people at the time thought V&M's win at the 2012 worlds was wrong. Many of the commentators thought so too, and the coach of both teams seemed to think this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kristykremes View Post
    Most people at the time thought V&M's win at the 2012 worlds was wrong. Many of the commentators thought so too, and the coach of both teams seemed to think this.
    I don't remember such a thing. It is very likely that most of Davis/White fans and also the larger part of the general public who judge the skating performances, especially ice dance performances, on the level of "like"/"don't like" and which performance is "more exciting" for them thought so, but then both groups would have thought so even if Virtue/Moir hadn't made that one stumble. As for commentators, probably some of them thought so too, but not all of them. Not to mention that many figure skating commentators are not that knowledgeable at all, and tend to judge the performances in a similar way as the general public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    I don't remember such a thing. It is very likely that most of Davis/White fans and also the larger part of the general public who judge the skating performances, especially ice dance performances, on the level of "like"/"don't like" and which performance is "more exciting" for them thought so, but then both groups would have thought so even if Virtue/Moir hadn't made that one stumble. As for commentators, probably some of them thought so too, but not all of them. Not to mention that many figure skating commentators are not that knowledgeable at all, and tend to judge the performances in a similar way as the general public.
    I guess we could say the same thing about those who complain about the Sochi results (likewise mostly Virtue & Moir fans). I don't have a favorite between those two teams so I am neutral, but I do remember more people complaining about the 2012 worlds than the 2014 Olympics. Their coach Zueva seemed to disagree with the 2012 result too.

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