Last edited by aftershocks; 02-27-2013 at 08:12 AM.
^^ To my eyes, they certainly rock in that Enticement performance with Felicia Beck! Good luck to Rockne and Lindsay.
Not knowing Rockne personally, I have no idea whether he has a big ego or puts undue pressure on his partners. Having said that, he seemed to have a very successful junior career with Mariel Miller that only ended because she got bit by the puberty bug. I also thought that there were way too many outside expectations about his partnership with Keauna. Having seen her skate with other partners, I always had doubts about her ability to master senior-level pair skills. I don't know what happened with MBM but I generally dislike huge age-gaps between pairs skaters, I didn't help that she looked much younger than her stated age.
MBM has always struggled with the pressure in competitions and generally looked miserable. It wasn't very surprising to see her move on.
It is extremely important that both partners on a pair team share the same goals. If Lindsay has the same drive and passion as Rockne to strive for an Olympic spot, then I believe the team has a good chance to succeed. They will both be willing to put in the work necessary to achieve their goals.
IMO the girl he skates with is secondary...they just want him in the game for promotion.
I think if he had found a long term partner right after Keauna left, Rockne may have been the US's great hope. But I think it has been too long since he was the top pairs guy to throw all the eggs into that basket. I'd love for him and Lindsay to do well, but we'll see. Kind of the same with Caitlyn- when she lost her partner, I think she was the best pairs girl in the US, but I really don't know where she is now. Past success can't be extrapolated into future results.
So I wasn't really surprised that Keauna seemed overwhelmed by the pressure to succeed immediately (and deal with puberty while skating with someone that short). It didn't help that they were showered with endorsement deals before 2010. 2010 was obviously devastating to her... It's a shame to feel like you failed so badly in only your 3rd year of skating Sr pairs.
I thought with Mary Beth, it might help that they didn't have immediate success, that they had some very rough results in their first int'l competitions. She also of course needed time to learn about pairs. But the whole thing was still very rushed and there was still a ton of pressure. Rockne publicly stated he wanted them to make the World team in their first season (by Nationals, he seemed to have modified that goal, but still...). He even pushed to get them selected for Skate America three weeks into that partnership-- they weren't even doing throw triples at the time, and Marley had done less than 3 months of pair skating in her whole life Who even knew what the pairing would actually be like, but Rockne wanted to go to Skate America, so they threw together programs in a week and had USFS monitor them at a local competition a week or so later (where USFS told him the obvious that they were not ready). I remember thinking it was kind of nuts.
And then for this season, there was pressure to increase the difficulty in their programs despite them not being all that consistent the previous year. So I wasn't surprised Marley was having trouble with the pressure.
Rockne is very good and he knows it. No matter how he treats his partners, there's still added pressure to skate with him, I feel.
Last edited by stjeaskategym; 02-28-2013 at 09:03 PM.
^Well, Lindsay has experienced ups and downs with 2 partners and she is older. It's been stated before in this thread, but I think that will help.
I agree with madm’s and BCooper’s thoughtful views expressed in their posts. Pair relationships and break-ups involve a lot of different factors. IMO, problems and break-ups generally should not be looked at in simple black and white terms, or considered to be the fault of one partner’s ego. It’s usually a lot more complicated than that.
I think that Mary Beth did a very good job learning pair skills and she had notable success with Rockne, so they were both weathering the pressures. They were a good team with the potential to become even better, so doom and gloom post mortems are kind of OTT. There’s no reason to jump to all kinds of conclusions and assess blame on one partner or the other re either Keauna and Rockne, or Mary Beth and Rockne. Mary Beth never gave specific reasons why she decided to stop skating, and that’s her right. It probably had more to do with her desire as a young person who is still maturing emotionally, to just do something else with her life.
Having that desire is not unusual, and it’s one of the reasons why a lot of break-ups happen in figure skating. For example, young ice dancers, Jamie Silverstein and Justin Pekarek, had great success as juniors and they appeared to be having a wonderful start to their senior career when they broke up, apparently after Justin decided he wanted to do something else with his life. It was a difficult adjustment for Jamie who was also battling eating disorders, but she eventually came back to win a bronze medal at U.S. Nats with Ryan O’Meara, and go to the 2006 Olympics. Jamie left skating again to reassess what she wanted to do with her life, and she is now The Grinning Yogi in Seattle, Washington.
I hope that Mary Beth and Keauna are feeling satisfied and happy with what they were able to accomplish in their skating careers and that they are both enjoying what they are doing now. No matter how difficult the emotions surrounding their decisions to break-up with Rockne and move on with their lives, they both seem to have been able to deal with their respective splits and get past it. One thing that might still be irksome to them both is to know that their former partnerships with Rockne are constantly being examined and gossiped about on skating message boards. So maybe fans (including myself) need to just get past it too, and appreciate the positives of those partnerships.
I would imagine that Rockne and Lindsay both have learned a great deal from their former partnerships and that they each are looking ahead with anticipation to the prospect of building a positive and successful pairs relationship on the ice. Good luck to them.
I'm sure they will focus on what's in front of them and not worry so much about achieving world peace.
The Felicia Beck Enticement video is worth taking second, third, and fourth looks too.
I am not all that enthusiastic about the news of this pairing. Perception is EVERYTHING in FS judging, and the judges WILL perceive that this is a team that got together because of each person's separate goals to go to an Olympics, that these were skaters getting DESPARATE. They WILL perceive that Lindsay LOOKS overweight and heavy compared to the top pair skating women in the world. They WILL perceive that he is a SMALL pair skater making the team look mis-matched. They WILL perceive that there is a connection missing between the skaters found in the great teams. They WILL perceive the mediocre techniques.
He looks small, she looks too big, she is not an exciting skater or perfomer, and, really, neither is he. He is all facial looks and little substance in regard to being a pair skater on a world-class level. This team will go NO WHERE FAST internationally. It is just my opinion as a former pair skater.
Sorry, this news just isn't inspiring in any way for US figure skating. I make no apologies to anyone who doesn't like my opinion.
I have had several personal interactions with Rockne over the last few years and, by my observations, he is extremely hard-working, patient and just a sweetheart. He was extraordinarily patient with MaryBeth (in a good way- very encouraging and really wanting to work through feelings of competitive pressure). And as far as I can tell- USFS loved them. I see Lindsay as far more mature than MBM, is athletic (don't think she looks overweight), and I think/hope they will be terrific. And while Rockne does want to go to the Olympics, I also think he just loves to skate. There will definitely be a lot of competition, but here's hoping they have much success. Couldn't happen to a nicer, more talented person who has been through a lot, but has endured.
^^ Thanks dancefan17 for sharing your thoughts based on your personal interactions with Rockne! (Interesting how some other posters seem desperate to disparage Davis/ Brubaker)
IMO, Rock2 was on target with this post, which bears re-visiting:
In any case, as pointed out ad nauseum, Lindsay is not overweight -- she simply has a womanly shape. She is also very graceful, and she interprets music well. ITA with the below comments in regard to the way Rockne and Lindsay look together in the Felicia Beck-choreographed trio performance originally posted by micronrd on 2/21:
Last edited by aftershocks; 02-28-2013 at 11:15 PM.
She's overweight like Jamie Sale was overweight from 2000 - 2002 - which is to say, NOT. AT. ALL.
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