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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiK View Post
    The mere fact that Rakimgaliev (2nd KAZ guy) was actually at Worlds means he already has the TES min scores, so unless ISU decides to raise the numbers again (doubt it), he will be at Sochi (he was at Vancouver too).
    Maybe in his example you are right, but if Kazakhstan had only one skater at the Worlds this year, they would have qualified three skaters for the Olympics and the minimum score would be needed to make it fair for the other countries.

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    Re-posting from the 2013 Worlds forum:
    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiK View Post
    After the Pairs competition These are the 16 spots already qualified for Sochi [4 more countries can qualify via Nebelhorn Trophy in September]

    Russia - 3
    Canada - 3
    Germany - 2
    China - 2
    France - 2
    United States - 2
    Italy - 2

    After the Men's competition the 24 spots qualified for Sochi are:

    Canada - 3
    Japan - 3
    Kazakhstan - 2
    Spain - 2
    United States - 2
    France - 2
    Czech Republic - 2
    Germany - 1
    China - 1
    Uzbekistan - 1
    Russia - 1
    Sweden - 1
    Belgium - 1
    Austria - 1
    Estonia - 1

    6 remaining spots will be given at Nebelhorn Trophy in September.

    Dance Results are over. The 19 spots qualified for Sochi are:

    United States - 3
    Canada - 3
    Russia - 3
    Italy - 2
    France - 2
    Germany - 2
    Great Britain - 1
    Ukraine - 1
    Lithuania - 1
    Azerbaiyan - 1

    Another 5 will be decided at Nebelhorn. However LTU likely wont use their spot as Tobias was denied citizenship so the 6th team ranked in Nebelhorn may still have a chance.

    And, FINALLY the 24 spots for ladies :

    South Korea - 3
    Japan - 3
    United States - 3
    Italy - 2
    China - 2
    Canada - 2
    Russia - 2
    France - 1
    Sweden - 1
    UKraine - 1
    Estonia - 1
    Slovakia - 1
    Germany - 1
    Great Britain - 1

    6 remaining spots will be given at Nebelhorn Trophy in September.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Re-posting from the 2013 Worlds forum:

    After the Men's competition the 24 spots qualified for Sochi are:

    Canada - 3
    Japan - 3
    Kazakhstan - 2
    Spain - 2
    United States - 2
    France - 2
    Czech Republic - 2
    Germany - 1
    China - 1
    Uzbekistan - 1
    Russia - 1
    Sweden - 1
    Belgium - 1
    Austria - 1
    Estonia - 1
    How did they come up with 2 for Kazakhstan? I have Tan in second, and Rakimgaliev in 28th, which is 30 places, and the maximum for 2 qualifiers is 28.

    Did I miss a rule somewhere saying that everybody who doesn't make it to the free skate is placed 24th for qualifying purposes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by That Don Guy View Post
    How did they come up with 2 for Kazakhstan? I have Tan in second, and Rakimgaliev in 28th, which is 30 places, and the maximum for 2 qualifiers is 28.

    Did I miss a rule somewhere saying that everybody who doesn't make it to the free skate is placed 24th for qualifying purposes?
    You did.18 points are given for a skater who doesn't qualify for the free program. 16 points are given for skater qualify for the free program but placed 16th to 24 th in final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREGORY View Post
    18 points are given for a skater who doesn't qualify for the free program. 16 points are given for skater qualify for the free program but placed 16th to 24 th in final.
    I see that in the ISU rules, but it says "2012/13 season only" and mentions a preliminary round that they didn't have this year, so it wasn't clear if that applied to 2013 events counting toward 2014 qualifying or 2012 events counting toward 2013 qualifying (or both).

    Speaking of qualifying, if I read the scoring system correctly, here's what I have for the team competition for Sochi so far:
    Men Ladies Pairs Dance Total "A"
    Canada 1200 574 972 1080 3826
    USA 638 787 517 1200 3142
    Russia 222 517 1200 972 2911
    Italy 74 1080 465 875 2494
    France 517 418 574 709 2218
    Germany 418 180 1080 465 2143
    China 275 638 787 362 2062
    Japan 875 972 0 162 2009
    South Korea 156 1200 0 68 1424
    Spain 972 131 0 180 1283
    Kazakhstan 1080 0 0 0 1080
    Ukraine 118 275 293 305 991
    Great Britain 0 162 275 339 776
    Estonia 131 247 0 293 671
    Australia 102 146 0 402 650
    Czech Rep 465 0 0 146 611
    Austria 162 106 237 83 588
    Uzbekistan 247 0 0 325 572
    Belarus 237 0 214 74 525
    Sweden 200 305 0 0 505
    Mexico 0 237 0 237 474
    Poland 126 0 200 102 428
    Slovakia 0 222 0 156 378
    Philippines 214 156 0 0 370
    Switzerland 113 113 0 140 366
    Finland 75 156 0 131 362
    Israel 214 0 0 118 332
    Georgia 0 214 0 113 327
    Belgium 180 140 0 0 320
    Turkey 0 83 0 237 320
    Bulgaria 92 0 222 0 314
    Chinese Taipei 92 192 0 0 284
    Denmark 106 173 0 0 279
    Lithuania 0 0 0 275 275
    Mongolia 264 0 0 0 264
    Azerbaijan 0 0 0 247 247
    Hungary 0 61 0 106 167
    Rumania 140 0 0 0 140
    South Africa 0 140 0 0 140
    Brazil 114 0 0 0 114
    India 0 113 0 0 113
    Netherlands 0 0 103 0 103
    Norway 0 92 0 0 92
    Luxembourg 0 74 0 0 74
    Latvia 0 68 0 0 68
    Armenia 61 0 0 0 61

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    Quote Originally Posted by That Don Guy View Post
    Speaking of qualifying, if I read the scoring system correctly, here's what I have for the team competition for Sochi so far:
    Men Ladies Pairs Dance Total "A"
    South Korea 156 1200 0 68 1424
    Does the male South Korean ice dancer have citizenship yet?

    ETA: Do points count if they are earned by non-citizens? Lithuania's female ice dancer is not a citizen either, nor, as far as I know, is Israel's female ice dancer.

    Quote Originally Posted by That Don Guy View Post

    Kazakhstan 1080 0 0 0 1080
    The National Skating Federation of Kazakhstan is about to get a deluge of inquiries from ladies, pairs, and ice dance couples from around the world.


    Quote Originally Posted by That Don Guy View Post
    Mongolia 264 0 0 0 264
    Monaco, no? Kim Lucine skates for Monaco.
    Last edited by Vagabond; 03-17-2013 at 05:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post

    ETA: Do points count if they are earned by non-citizens? Lithuania's female ice dancer is not a citizen either, nor, as far as I know, is Israel's female ice dancer.
    There's nothing in the communication about the Sochi team event that suggests otherwise. There's no requirement that any skater or team whose points are used to qualify a nation must compete at Sochi, unlike WTT, where competitors must be selected from the two highest skaters from that nation who also place top 10 at WC, at least in theory (ie they aren't injured). The skaters might not have citizenship, might not have the minimum score, or might not make the team.
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    From the document linked in post #1:
    b) Ten (10) NOCs/ISU Members will qualify to enter their Teams based on the qualifying points scoring scale as outlined in sub-paragraph e) below) scored by its best one (1) Lady Single Skater, best one (1) Man Single Skater, best Pair Skating couple and best Ice Dance couple primarily at ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13) and the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events and Final season 2013/14, plus if necessary the ISU European Figure Skating Championships/ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13), the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13) and ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating season 2013/14 (only in individual events but not the Final).

    Thanks for doing the initial calculation from the 2013 Worlds results, That Don Guy!

    ETA: I meant to say 2013 ISU Championship results and have gone back and bolded those events above..
    Last edited by Sylvia; 03-18-2013 at 06:16 PM. Reason: To bold the 2013 season events
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    Should be an interesting 2013 Nebelhorn. For example, going by current ISU standings, the top 6 ladies from non-qualifying countries would be

    Korpi - FIN
    Gedevanishvili - GEO
    Lafuente - ESP
    Frank - AUT
    Glescic - SLO
    Han - AUS

    For the men,

    Martinez - PHI
    Lucine - MON
    Bacchini - ITA
    Kelemen - ROU
    Strid - DEN
    Lee - KOR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerek View Post
    Should be an interesting 2013 Nebelhorn. For example, going by current ISU standings, the top 6 ladies from non-qualifying countries would be

    Korpi - FIN
    Gedevanishvili - GEO
    Lafuente - ESP
    Frank - AUT
    Glescic - SLO
    Han - AUS

    For the men,

    Martinez - PHI
    Lucine - MON
    Bacchini - ITA
    Kelemen - ROU
    Strid - DEN
    Lee - KOR

    If they skate half decently I think Korpi, Lafuente and Gedevanishvili are locks. Glescic may be high on the rankings right now but her skating has deteriorated a lot. Im crossing fingers for Brooklee Han, she was great at Worlds and just missed it by one spot.

    As for Men.. I soo want one of the Philipino and Korean guys to make it. And then I would root for Cieplucha (POL), he's been missing qualifications by 1 spots too many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Monaco, no? Kim Lucine skates for Monaco.
    My bad - I saw "MON" and couldn't figure out what country it stood for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    From the document linked in post #1:
    b) Ten (10) NOCs/ISU Members will qualify to enter their Teams based on the qualifying points scoring scale as outlined in sub-paragraph e) below) scored by its best one (1) Lady Single Skater, best one (1) Man Single Skater, best Pair Skating couple and best Ice Dance couple primarily at ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13) and the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events and Final season 2013/14, plus if necessary the ISU European Figure Skating Championships/ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13), the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13) and ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating season 2013/14 (only in individual events but not the Final).

    Thanks for doing the initial calculation from the 2013 Worlds results, That Don Guy!
    They're not just from Worlds - when a country didn't place anybody in a particular discipline in the top 24 in Worlds, I took that country's best placing (with the reduced points, of course) from Europeans or Four Continents, and if they didn't place in the top 24 there either, from World Juniors (or is it Junior Worlds?).

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    Yes, thanks for clarifying - I've gone back and bolded those events in my earlier post.

    ETA: Which ITA man got the 74 points? Antonio PANFILI is the only one with ISU Championship points this season (55 at 2013 Junior Worlds).
    Last edited by Sylvia; 03-18-2013 at 06:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    ETA: Which ITA man got the 74 points? Antonio PANFILI is the only one with ISU Championship points this season (55 at 2013 Junior Worlds).
    The ISU results page has Paolo Bacchini finishing 24th overall at Europeans, even though he finished 25th in the short - for some reason, they don't place Plushenko in the final standings, even though he finished sixth in the short program.

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    Bacchini is not credited with any ISU Championship points this season on the ISU site (refer to the current World Standings/Season's Rankings lists), so Panfili's points should be swapped into your calculations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by That Don Guy View Post
    The ISU results page has Paolo Bacchini finishing 24th overall at Europeans, even though he finished 25th in the short - for some reason, they don't place Plushenko in the final standings, even though he finished sixth in the short program.
    In order to earn WS points, the skater/team to finish all phases of the competition, and Bacchini never skated the FS. That's why Panfili with 55 from 22nd at JWC is the only Italian Man with any kind of championship points from this season.

    The total for Italy is 2475.

    ETA: There are a few others where teams didn't skate the FS/FD and earned no ranking points:

    Austria in Ice Dance: No points. (No entry at WC, G/E were 23rd at EU, but only Top 20 made it to the FD, and at JWC, K/B were 32nd and FNR). Total "A" score is 505 (162 106 237 0)

    Poland in Pairs: 192. (K/C were FNR at WC, but were 15th at EC). Poland in Ice Dance: No points. (P/G were FNR at WC, Z/B were FNR at EC, and Z/Z were FNR at JWC.) Total "A" score is 318 (126 0 192 0).

    Belarus in Ice Dance: No points. (K/V were FNR at JWC and WC, V/V were FNR at EC.) Total "A" score is 451 (237 0 214 0).

    Finland in Ice Dance: 126 points. (K/L were FNR at WC, but 19th at EC.) Total "A" score is 357 (75 156 0 126).

    Israel in Ice Dance: No points. (R/R were FNR at WC and WD from EC.) Total "A" score is 214 (214 0 0 0).

    Thank you so much for doing these scores That Don Guy! I missed two countries and had some botched totals for taking Euros instead of WC scores or grabbing the EC points instead of JWC points.
    Last edited by kwanfan1818; 03-19-2013 at 01:52 AM.
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    It's outrageous that McCorkell beat Han at Worlds. And it cost Australia a direct spot for Sochi!

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    From the document linked from post #1:
    5. ISU JUDGING SYSTEM – RESULT DETERMINATION

    The ISU Judging System as described in the 2012 ISU Special Regulations Single and Pair Skating/Ice Dance shall apply, in particular but not limited to Rule 352 and Rule 353.

    To determine the result after the Short Program/Short Dance and for the final result after the Free Skating/Free Dance of the Figure Skating Team Event the following rule will be used:
    For each discipline and segment placement points will be awarded as follows:
    1st 10 placement points
    2nd 9 placement points
    3rd 8 placement points
    4th 7 placement points
    5th 6 placement points
    6th 5 placement points
    7th 4 placement points
    8th 3 placement points
    9th 2 placement points
    10th 1 placement point.
    The 5 Teams ranked 1 to 5 based on the number of aggregate placement points shall continue the Figure Skating Team Event by competing in the Free Skating/Free Dance.

    The Team having earned the highest number of aggregate placement points in the Short Program/Short Dance and the Free Skating/Free Dance is the winner, the Team having earned the second highest number of aggregate placement points is ranked second and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerek View Post
    Should be an interesting 2013 Nebelhorn. For example, going by current ISU standings, the top 6 ladies from non-qualifying countries would be

    Korpi - FIN
    Gedevanishvili - GEO
    Lafuente - ESP
    Frank - AUT
    Glescic - SLO
    Han - AUS
    Swap Glescic for Madsen and it sounds about right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seerek View Post
    For the men,

    Martinez - PHI
    Lucine - MON
    Bacchini - ITA
    Kelemen - ROU
    Strid - DEN
    Lee - KOR
    Bacchini is very inconsistent. He might easily make it, he might totally bomb. Kelemen will qualify if clean but a clean Cieplucha could beat him. It will be an exciting event, for sure.

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    Which countries' NOC's have standards that would keep skaters from competing, even if they qualify? Israel and Germany have recntly, and Denmark famously did in the past.

    A healthy Korpi could meet any Finnish OC standards, and there haven't been issues with KOR or GEO in the past, and it's hard to imagine that PHI would have an issue.

    Are there any skaters from PRK who will make their every-four-year-attempt to qualify? As an unranked skater, the guy from PRK opened the Men's SP in Vancouver with a fantastic 3A.
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    Isabella Tobias, the New York-born ice dancer who competes for Lithuania with partner Deividas Stagniunas, had a double dose of good news in London: The team's 15th-place finish qualified an ice dance spot for Lithuania at the 2014 Olympic Winter Games and has also prompted the country's Citizenship Committee to take a second look at her citizenship application.
    Scroll down: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/artic...&vkey=ice_news
    Last edited by Sylvia; 03-22-2013 at 03:32 PM.
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