Qualification System for 2014 SOCHI Olympics Figure Skating, including Team Event

[Asli]

The mere fact that Rakimgaliev (2nd KAZ guy) was actually at Worlds means he already has the TES min scores, so unless ISU decides to raise the numbers again (doubt it), he will be at Sochi (he was at Vancouver too).

Maybe in his example you are right, but if Kazakhstan had only one skater at the Worlds this year, they would have qualified three skaters for the Olympics and the minimum score would be needed to make it fair for the other countries.

[Sylvia]

Re-posting from the 2013 Worlds forum:

After the Pairs competition These are the 16 spots already qualified for Sochi [4 more countries can qualify via Nebelhorn Trophy in September]

Russia - 3
Canada - 3
Germany - 2
China - 2
France - 2
United States - 2
Italy - 2

After the Men's competition the 24 spots qualified for Sochi are:

Canada - 3
Japan - 3
Kazakhstan - 2
Spain - 2
United States - 2
France - 2
Czech Republic - 2
Germany - 1
China - 1
Uzbekistan - 1
Russia - 1
Sweden - 1
Belgium - 1
Austria - 1
Estonia - 1

6 remaining spots will be given at Nebelhorn Trophy in September.

Dance Results are over. The 19 spots qualified for Sochi are:

United States - 3
Canada - 3
Russia - 3
Italy - 2
France - 2
Germany - 2
Great Britain - 1
Ukraine - 1
Lithuania - 1
Azerbaiyan - 1

Another 5 will be decided at Nebelhorn. However LTU likely wont use their spot as Tobias was denied citizenship so the 6th team ranked in Nebelhorn may still have a chance.

And, FINALLY the 24 spots for ladies :

South Korea - 3
Japan - 3
United States - 3
Italy - 2
China - 2
Canada - 2
Russia - 2
France - 1
Sweden - 1
UKraine - 1
Estonia - 1
Slovakia - 1
Germany - 1
Great Britain - 1

6 remaining spots will be given at Nebelhorn Trophy in September.

[That Don Guy]

Re-posting from the 2013 Worlds forum:

After the Men's competition the 24 spots qualified for Sochi are:

Canada - 3
Japan - 3
Kazakhstan - 2
Spain - 2
United States - 2
France - 2
Czech Republic - 2
Germany - 1
China - 1
Uzbekistan - 1
Russia - 1
Sweden - 1
Belgium - 1
Austria - 1
Estonia - 1

How did they come up with 2 for Kazakhstan? I have Tan in second, and Rakimgaliev in 28th, which is 30 places, and the maximum for 2 qualifiers is 28.

Did I miss a rule somewhere saying that everybody who doesn't make it to the free skate is placed 24th for qualifying purposes?

[GREGORY]

How did they come up with 2 for Kazakhstan? I have Tan in second, and Rakimgaliev in 28th, which is 30 places, and the maximum for 2 qualifiers is 28.

Did I miss a rule somewhere saying that everybody who doesn't make it to the free skate is placed 24th for qualifying purposes?

You did.18 points are given for a skater who doesn't qualify for the free program. 16 points are given for skater qualify for the free program but placed 16th to 24 th in final.

[That Don Guy]

18 points are given for a skater who doesn't qualify for the free program. 16 points are given for skater qualify for the free program but placed 16th to 24 th in final.

I see that in the ISU rules, but it says "2012/13 season only" and mentions a preliminary round that they didn't have this year, so it wasn't clear if that applied to 2013 events counting toward 2014 qualifying or 2012 events counting toward 2013 qualifying (or both).

Speaking of qualifying, if I read the scoring system correctly, here's what I have for the team competition for Sochi so far:

	Men	Ladies	Pairs	Dance	Total "A"
Canada	1200	574	972	1080	3826
USA	638	787	517	1200	3142
Russia	222	517	1200	972	2911
Italy	74	1080	465	875	2494
France	517	418	574	709	2218
Germany	418	180	1080	465	2143
China	275	638	787	362	2062
Japan	875	972	0	162	2009
South Korea	156	1200	0	68	1424
Spain	972	131	0	180	1283
Kazakhstan	1080	0	0	0	1080
Ukraine	118	275	293	305	991
Great Britain	0	162	275	339	776
Estonia	131	247	0	293	671
Australia	102	146	0	402	650
Czech Rep	465	0	0	146	611
Austria	162	106	237	83	588
Uzbekistan	247	0	0	325	572
Belarus	237	0	214	74	525
Sweden	200	305	0	0	505
Mexico	0	237	0	237	474
Poland	126	0	200	102	428
Slovakia	0	222	0	156	378
Philippines	214	156	0	0	370
Switzerland	113	113	0	140	366
Finland	75	156	0	131	362
Israel	214	0	0	118	332
Georgia	0	214	0	113	327
Belgium	180	140	0	0	320
Turkey	0	83	0	237	320
Bulgaria	92	0	222	0	314
Chinese Taipei	92	192	0	0	284
Denmark	106	173	0	0	279
Lithuania	0	0	0	275	275
Mongolia	264	0	0	0	264
Azerbaijan	0	0	0	247	247
Hungary	0	61	0	106	167
Rumania	140	0	0	0	140
South Africa	0	140	0	0	140
Brazil	114	0	0	0	114
India	0	113	0	0	113
Netherlands	0	0	103	0	103
Norway	0	92	0	0	92
Luxembourg	0	74	0	0	74
Latvia	0	68	0	0	68
Armenia	61	0	0	0	61

[Vagabond]

Speaking of qualifying, if I read the scoring system correctly, here's what I have for the team competition for Sochi so far:

	Men	Ladies	Pairs	Dance	Total "A"
South Korea	156	1200	0	68	1424

Does the male South Korean ice dancer have citizenship yet?

ETA: Do points count if they are earned by non-citizens? Lithuania's female ice dancer is not a citizen either, nor, as far as I know, is Israel's female ice dancer.

Kazakhstan

1080

0

0

0

1080

The National Skating Federation of Kazakhstan is about to get a deluge of inquiries from ladies, pairs, and ice dance couples from around the world.

Mongolia

264

0

0

0

264

Monaco, no? Kim Lucine skates for Monaco.

[kwanfan1818]

ETA: Do points count if they are earned by non-citizens? Lithuania's female ice dancer is not a citizen either, nor, as far as I know, is Israel's female ice dancer.

There's nothing in the communication about the Sochi team event that suggests otherwise. There's no requirement that any skater or team whose points are used to qualify a nation must compete at Sochi, unlike WTT, where competitors must be selected from the two highest skaters from that nation who also place top 10 at WC, at least in theory (ie they aren't injured). The skaters might not have citizenship, might not have the minimum score, or might not make the team.

[Sylvia]

From the document linked in post #1:
b) Ten (10) NOCs/ISU Members will qualify to enter their Teams based on the qualifying points scoring scale as outlined in sub-paragraph e) below) scored by its best one (1) Lady Single Skater, best one (1) Man Single Skater, best Pair Skating couple and best Ice Dance couple primarily at ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13) and the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events and Final season 2013/14, plus if necessary the ISU European Figure Skating Championships/ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13), the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13) and ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating season 2013/14 (only in individual events but not the Final).

Thanks for doing the initial calculation from the 2013 Worlds results, That Don Guy!

ETA: I meant to say 2013 ISU Championship results and have gone back and bolded those events above..

[Seerek]

Should be an interesting 2013 Nebelhorn. For example, going by current ISU standings, the top 6 ladies from non-qualifying countries would be

Korpi - FIN
Gedevanishvili - GEO
Lafuente - ESP
Frank - AUT
Glescic - SLO
Han - AUS

For the men,

Martinez - PHI
Lucine - MON
Bacchini - ITA
Kelemen - ROU
Strid - DEN
Lee - KOR

[SamuraiK]

Should be an interesting 2013 Nebelhorn. For example, going by current ISU standings, the top 6 ladies from non-qualifying countries would be

Korpi - FIN
Gedevanishvili - GEO
Lafuente - ESP
Frank - AUT
Glescic - SLO
Han - AUS

For the men,

Martinez - PHI
Lucine - MON
Bacchini - ITA
Kelemen - ROU
Strid - DEN
Lee - KOR

If they skate half decently I think Korpi, Lafuente and Gedevanishvili are locks. Glescic may be high on the rankings right now but her skating has deteriorated a lot. Im crossing fingers for Brooklee Han, she was great at Worlds and just missed it by one spot.

As for Men.. I soo want one of the Philipino and Korean guys to make it. And then I would root for Cieplucha (POL), he's been missing qualifications by 1 spots too many times.

[That Don Guy]

Monaco, no? Kim Lucine skates for Monaco.

My bad - I saw "MON" and couldn't figure out what country it stood for.

From the document linked in post #1:
b) Ten (10) NOCs/ISU Members will qualify to enter their Teams based on the qualifying points scoring scale as outlined in sub-paragraph e) below) scored by its best one (1) Lady Single Skater, best one (1) Man Single Skater, best Pair Skating couple and best Ice Dance couple primarily at ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13) and the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events and Final season 2013/14, plus if necessary the ISU European Figure Skating Championships/ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13), the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13) and ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating season 2013/14 (only in individual events but not the Final).

Thanks for doing the initial calculation from the 2013 Worlds results, That Don Guy!

They're not just from Worlds - when a country didn't place anybody in a particular discipline in the top 24 in Worlds, I took that country's best placing (with the reduced points, of course) from Europeans or Four Continents, and if they didn't place in the top 24 there either, from World Juniors (or is it Junior Worlds?).

[Sylvia]

Yes, thanks for clarifying - I've gone back and bolded those events in my earlier post.

ETA: Which ITA man got the 74 points? Antonio PANFILI is the only one with ISU Championship points this season (55 at 2013 Junior Worlds).

[That Don Guy]

ETA: Which ITA man got the 74 points? Antonio PANFILI is the only one with ISU Championship points this season (55 at 2013 Junior Worlds).

The ISU results page has Paolo Bacchini finishing 24th overall at Europeans, even though he finished 25th in the short - for some reason, they don't place Plushenko in the final standings, even though he finished sixth in the short program.

[Sylvia]

Bacchini is not credited with any ISU Championship points this season on the ISU site (refer to the current World Standings/Season's Rankings lists), so Panfili's points should be swapped into your calculations.

[kwanfan1818]

The ISU results page has Paolo Bacchini finishing 24th overall at Europeans, even though he finished 25th in the short - for some reason, they don't place Plushenko in the final standings, even though he finished sixth in the short program.

In order to earn WS points, the skater/team to finish all phases of the competition, and Bacchini never skated the FS. That's why Panfili with 55 from 22nd at JWC is the only Italian Man with any kind of championship points from this season.

The total for Italy is 2475.

ETA: There are a few others where teams didn't skate the FS/FD and earned no ranking points:

Austria in Ice Dance: No points. (No entry at WC, G/E were 23rd at EU, but only Top 20 made it to the FD, and at JWC, K/B were 32nd and FNR). Total "A" score is 505 (162 106 237 0)

Poland in Pairs: 192. (K/C were FNR at WC, but were 15th at EC). Poland in Ice Dance: No points. (P/G were FNR at WC, Z/B were FNR at EC, and Z/Z were FNR at JWC.) Total "A" score is 318 (126 0 192 0).

Belarus in Ice Dance: No points. (K/V were FNR at JWC and WC, V/V were FNR at EC.) Total "A" score is 451 (237 0 214 0).

Finland in Ice Dance: 126 points. (K/L were FNR at WC, but 19th at EC.) Total "A" score is 357 (75 156 0 126).

Israel in Ice Dance: No points. (R/R were FNR at WC and WD from EC.) Total "A" score is 214 (214 0 0 0).

Thank you so much for doing these scores That Don Guy! I missed two countries and had some botched totals for taking Euros instead of WC scores or grabbing the EC points instead of JWC points.

[Marco]

It's outrageous that McCorkell beat Han at Worlds. And it cost Australia a direct spot for Sochi!

[Sylvia]

From the document linked from post #1:

5. ISU JUDGING SYSTEM – RESULT DETERMINATION

The ISU Judging System as described in the 2012 ISU Special Regulations Single and Pair Skating/Ice Dance shall apply, in particular but not limited to Rule 352 and Rule 353.

To determine the result after the Short Program/Short Dance and for the final result after the Free Skating/Free Dance of the Figure Skating Team Event the following rule will be used:
For each discipline and segment placement points will be awarded as follows:
1st 10 placement points
2nd 9 placement points
3rd 8 placement points
4th 7 placement points
5th 6 placement points
6th 5 placement points
7th 4 placement points
8th 3 placement points
9th 2 placement points
10th 1 placement point.
The 5 Teams ranked 1 to 5 based on the number of aggregate placement points shall continue the Figure Skating Team Event by competing in the Free Skating/Free Dance.

The Team having earned the highest number of aggregate placement points in the Short Program/Short Dance and the Free Skating/Free Dance is the winner, the Team having earned the second highest number of aggregate placement points is ranked second and so on.

[Ziggy]

Should be an interesting 2013 Nebelhorn. For example, going by current ISU standings, the top 6 ladies from non-qualifying countries would be

Korpi - FIN
Gedevanishvili - GEO
Lafuente - ESP
Frank - AUT
Glescic - SLO
Han - AUS

Swap Glescic for Madsen and it sounds about right.

For the men,

Martinez - PHI
Lucine - MON
Bacchini - ITA
Kelemen - ROU
Strid - DEN
Lee - KOR

Bacchini is very inconsistent. He might easily make it, he might totally bomb. Kelemen will qualify if clean but a clean Cieplucha could beat him. It will be an exciting event, for sure.

[kwanfan1818]

Which countries' NOC's have standards that would keep skaters from competing, even if they qualify? Israel and Germany have recntly, and Denmark famously did in the past.

A healthy Korpi could meet any Finnish OC standards, and there haven't been issues with KOR or GEO in the past, and it's hard to imagine that PHI would have an issue.

Are there any skaters from PRK who will make their every-four-year-attempt to qualify? As an unranked skater, the guy from PRK opened the Men's SP in Vancouver with a fantastic 3A.

[Sylvia]

Isabella Tobias, the New York-born ice dancer who competes for Lithuania with partner Deividas Stagniunas, had a double dose of good news in London: The team's 15th-place finish qualified an ice dance spot for Lithuania at the 2014 Olympic Winter Games and has also prompted the country's Citizenship Committee to take a second look at her citizenship application.

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