He says he did call for help:
I don't know what Netcare is, but it sounds like they told him to take her himself. The question might be around response times - if his home is close to a hospital, it might have been faster to take her himself.I phoned Johan Stander, who was involved in the administration of the estate and asked him to phone the ambulance. I phoned Netcare and asked for help. I went downstairs to open the front door.
I returned to the bathroom and picked Reeva up as I had been told not to wait for the paramedics, but to take her to the hospital. I carried her downstairs in order to take her to the hospital. On my way down, Stander arrived. A doctor who lives in the complex also arrived.
We also don't know the status of the doctor that arrived - perhaps he has some credentials as a first responder?
What puzzles me is that anyone would advise him to move the body. I would expect them to stay on the phone with him to gather more info, and help him try to stop bleeding or help her breathe for example. But I'm not a medical expert.
As for Heath Ledger, the fact that he was a drug abuser is part of my point. Those close to him knew that, and it informed the decisions they made. Similarly, Oscar's decisions would have been based on what he knew about the dangers to himself and her, who he could trust, what steps he had to take to protect himself etc.
Maybe I watch too much tv, but when I see the way fictional police treat spouses of victims, it makes me think that if I found someone close to me injured or dead, I'd lawyer up very, very fast. Even more so if it was an accident that I caused.
Pistorius' actions following the shooting, including the apparent use of the cricket bat and damaging the crime scene, amount to a big comedy of errors. The question is whether those errors were intentional.
Do we know if it's common for people in South Africa to call hospitals over emergency services, though?
Reminds me of traveling overseas and catching reruns of William Shatner's Rescue 911, which was huge hit abroad for some reason. The local broadcasts always had a frequent voiceover and screen flashes with the instruction, "The emergency number in (country) is (number)." Some will even dub over or silence the mention of "911" in the show. Localizing of American products abroad is a tricky thing indeed.
Last edited by heckles; 02-20-2013 at 08:56 PM.
Murder scene involving a gun? Very hard to cover that up...
I am waiting to see if reports emerge regarding Pistorius' relationship with Reeva; friends' observations, whether he was overly possessive or abusive, or if he had a past history of abusive relationships.
There's just so much we don't know at this point.
I don't know if it's a female thing to do or not. I don't think I have ever locked a bathroom door at home, and I don't close it when I am in the house by myself or in the middle of the night, either. But I don't know if that makes me the anomaly or you.
If it was something she usually did, it's not suspicious. If it's something she didn't normally do, it is.
Same thing with her being dressed. If she normally slept in shorts and a tank top, that's normal. If she didn't, it isn't.
And so on.
Trolling dates all the way back to 397 B.C. - People began following Plato around and would make fart noises after everything he said.
If one is staggering to the bathroom half asleep in the dark, I'm not sure she would have felt any need other than to pee. I think that for many, locking doors is a habit that you don't even think about, whether it's the front door or the bathroom door - you do it automatically. On more than one occasion I have come in from the yard, only to hear my husband knocking a few minutes later because I locked the door without even realizing it.
The weird thing to me is that she supposedly made no verbal noise or comment after 1) Oscar said there was an intruder and told her to call the police and 2) got shot the first time (and she didn’t die right away, per Oscar). And then, I still don’t know who doesn’t check to ensure a guest is not the one in the bathroom before shooting a gun through a closed door.
If any of you have guests and hear noises in the bathroom, PLEASE make sure it is not them before shooting up the toilet, will you?
Maybe it was an accident of some sort, but I don’t think his version of events is completely true.
Figure skating is hard.
Regarding him hearing a noise and thinking it was an intruder...sure, if he were alone. But he wasn't!! Hearing a noise, the first thing he would do is see if it's Reeva. But no. He instead grabs his gun, puts on his legs, shouts out at the supposed intruder, fires 4 shots, THEN decides to see what's going on with Reeva.
Regarding him not realizing Reeva wasn't in bed...eyes get adjusted to the dark. It is extremely dark when the lights are first turned off, but unless the bedroom has no windows (which I doubt), eventually you can easily make things out--ESPECIALLY a person in bed or not in bed!
Then there's South Africa's high crime. Sure, but I suspect that just like in other countries, those who live in rich, high-priced gated communities are rarely affected. He must not have been THAT concerned with crime violence considering the balcony door was left open during the night.
In the words of Judge Judy, if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true. But, I suspect he'll likely walk as most celebrities do.
I wonder if he would agree to a lie detector test?
I believe the killing of Reeva was an accident, but I also think something unusual happened that night that caused this tragedy. Maybe Pistorius snapped or maybe he was partially conscious, was in a trance or even sleepwalking ? I just don't think he was totally aware of everything he did that night.
This is in NO way accusing Reeva of anything, but I'm thinking that the ONLY way Oscar's story holds up is if Reeva was locked in the bathroom alone, zonked out, doing drugs. Drug users will often sneak themselves into the bathroom late at night to take care of their habit, and then they might pass out on the toilet, and that's one of the ONLY scenarios I can think of where Oscar's story MIGHT be credible. But even then, to shoot through a bathroom door four times without a "OPEN UP OR I'LL SHOOT!" "IT'S ME, REEVA!" just defies credibility.
In this case police would want to see if there were any drugs in Reeva's system or telltale marks like needles or a pipe nearby. But again, I'm just not buying it. I actually think the 'roid rage theory is more credible, and Reeva probably went to the bathroom to hide.