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    Quote Originally Posted by susan6 View Post
    A lot of the texts he was sending her were pretty sleazy. Plus.....why would he even let her in the door on the night of the murder? He'd dumped her. She'd slashed his tires. But she shows up at his door and he STILL lets her in because, hey let's have some violent sex and take pictures. He doesn't exactly sound like a winner.
    Did he deserve to get murdered just because he let her in the door and/or because he sent her sleazy text messages? How did you know what he was thinking?

    You are blaming the victim. Nobody deserves to be murdered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by susan6 View Post
    A lot of the texts he was sending her were pretty sleazy. Plus.....why would he even let her in the door on the night of the murder? He'd dumped her. She'd slashed his tires. But she shows up at his door and he STILL lets her in because, hey let's have some violent sex and take pictures. He doesn't exactly sound like a winner.
    Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't go out with a guy that dumb/spineless. It wouldn't occur to me in a thousand years. But it doesn't make him a bad person.

    Or maybe y'alls standards are higher than mine.

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    I think she is going to get off....just like Casey Anthony. She is charged with First Degree Murder. Are there any lesser charges? I can't find a charging document or anything. Anyone know?

    To think that the jury won't have one hold out is just too optimistic. She has confessed, right? Or at the very least, there is no doubt she did it. So they just have to prove murder in the First Degree which includes willfulness, deliberation and premeditation.

    Of course, taking a gun from your grandparents, driving across the desert, buying and filling up the gas cans, stabbing, & shooting another person...organizing, disposing of the weapon, driving back to CA, creating an alibi.......doesn't leave a lot of doubt in my mind.........but I am quite sure Casey Anthony killed her daughter, so what do I know?
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    Isn't the second degree charge on the table?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMadame View Post
    I could be wrong as I haven't really followed things all that much. But apparently he was kind of sleazy and their sex life was not what I consider healthy and I haven't seen a lot of defense of him in the media by his family and friends either. There have been a lot of accusations that he liked this and that sort of sex and they haven't been screaming that it's all lies and he was a choir boy who really followed the teachings of his church (no premarital sex at all).
    Could your friends and family defend or comment a lot on your sex life? Could they gve details about what you like and don't like, as fact? Mine couldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AxelAnnie View Post
    I think she is going to get off....just like Casey Anthony. She is charged with First Degree Murder. Are there any lesser charges? I can't find a charging document or anything. Anyone know?

    To think that the jury won't have one hold out is just too optimistic. She has confessed, right? Or at the very least, there is no doubt she did it. So they just have to prove murder in the First Degree which includes willfulness, deliberation and premeditation.

    Of course, taking a gun from your grandparents, driving across the desert, buying and filling up the gas cans, stabbing, & shooting another person...organizing, disposing of the weapon, driving back to CA, creating an alibi.......doesn't leave a lot of doubt in my mind.........but I am quite sure Casey Anthony killed her daughter, so what do I know?
    That's my feeling too. It will be too hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was a premeditated murder.

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    I think she will be found guilty of First Degree. I mean, She lied so many times and she can't remember things that are disadvantage to her and remember every little detail of the things that are advantage to her. It's so convenient. Her parents even said she was crazy and they were not surprised about the murder.

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    I think she will be found guilty of first degree murder, as well. She hasn't done a single thing to make herself likable to the jury, that is for sure. It seems clearly premeditated to me, she went through a lot of trouble both before and after the murder. Driving so far, coloring your hair, calling him right after the murder to leave a message. I don't buy that anything happened because of abuse or in the heat of the moment. She had her intentions and she carried through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AxelAnnie View Post
    but I am quite sure Casey Anthony killed her daughter, so what do I know?
    Except I bet if you were on the jury, you'd have to find reasonable doubt from a legal standpoint. Knowing something in your heart isn't the same as knowing it was proven in a court of law and you'd probably follow the law, right? (You seem like someone who would and not a jury nullification type of person.

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelskates View Post
    Could your friends and family defend or comment a lot on your sex life? Could they gve details about what you like and don't like, as fact? Mine couldn't.
    If someone who admitted to killing me were to run around saying I liked to have degrading sex, you can bet my family would all scream to the heavens that I wasn't like that even though they don't know the finer details as to what goes on in my bedroom. This is not to say they might not be wrong. But I've seen family scream their murdered family member couldn't possibly have done X, Y and Z before and with completely conviction too.

    But in this case there are video tapes and texts (and photos downloaded from the internet?). So it's kind of hard to say she's making that part up. It does not make him sound like a clueless guy who was ensnared by a lunatic that's for sure. To me, he sounds like a sleaze having what he thought was fun on the side (though certainly not my idea of fun) who got ensnared by a lunatic but maybe also kind of liked that she was a lunatic.

    I also think she'll get convicted. I don't see a lot of room for reasonable doubt here from a legal standpoint. The most she can hope for is to convince the jury that maybe it should be second degree because she didn't plan the actual killing (just the coverup). But that's about it as far as I think they could go and I don't see them being inclined to do that given that she's just not that likable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMadame View Post
    If someone who admitted to killing me were to run around saying I liked to have degrading sex, you can bet my family would all scream to the heavens that I wasn't like that even though they don't know the finer details as to what goes on in my bedroom. This is not to say they might not be wrong. But I've seen family scream their murdered family member couldn't possibly have done X, Y and Z before and with completely conviction too.
    Degrading sex to one person, is another person's good sex. Sleazy sex is what some enjoy. What you consider unhealthy sex, is what others consider healthy. Both parties consented, so why would the family be screaming that they are lies? What would they be defending? No one but the people involved know what someone is "like" in the bedroom - sadly I know too much about some of my friends' sex life, and believe me, I wouldn't have thought they were "like that". I would expect his parents to do exactly what they've done - stay silent. Their son is dead, and people will believe whatever they choose to about their son's sex life, nothing will change either of those things, whether they speak up or not. He's the victim, they have nothing to defend.

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    I know a lot of well-adjusted, hardworking, reasonable, kind people who enjoy BDSM and sex that some people would automatically label as 'unhealthy'. No one would know if they didn't tell you. They are wonderful people. That just happens to be the kind of sex they enjoy.

    I think this girl is batshit, but I also think that far too many people assume that only batshit people enjoy non-vanilla sex. Plenty of perfectly sane people aren't vanilla in the bedroom. As long as you're safe I don't care what you are doing.

    Disclaimer: I am not claiming that these two people had a healthy sex life, I am speaking in general. I don't think someone like Jodi Arias is capable of a healthy sex life even if it were an entirely vanilla menu.

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    Will this trial never end? It feels like it's been going on all year! HLN has turned into the Jodi Arias channel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheylana View Post
    Will this trial never end? It feels like it's been going on all year! HLN has turned into the Jodi Arias channel.
    The trial started on January 2, so technically, it has. I think Jury Selection started back in November. Since the Prosecutor still gets his rebuttal phase, and they still have closing arguments to go, I'm betting it will be at least another 2-3 weeks before the Jury even starts deliberating. Especially if Nurmi does the closing for the defense. He ..... talks..... so... deliberatly .... slow .... it ......makes....it.....seem.....even.......longer. Thank goodness Wilmont took over the questioning or they would still have the first defense 'expert' on the stand at this point.

    If I remember correctly, I think they have 3 charges they can find guilty/not guilty on. First Degree, Second Degree or Manslaughter. That's always been my thinking so I must have heard it at some point, but I don't have a link to show it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater View Post
    Disclaimer: I am not claiming that these two people had a healthy sex life, I am speaking in general. I don't think someone like Jodi Arias is capable of a healthy sex life even if it were an entirely vanilla menu.
    Well, yes, I'm being vague on purpose because I don't really want to repeat some of the stuff that has been said in the courtroom as it grosses me out, but it makes the dude seem like not a nice person. I'm not talking about things like dressing up as a furry or having a fetish for a certain body part or engaging in a little BDSM. I'm talking about getting off on degrading your sexual partner. While you film it. There were some accusations of child porn as well though I don't know if those got backed up or are just more bs from the crazy lady. (And, at this point, the whole thing grosses me out so much that I'm kind of afraid to go looking to find out.)

    Anyway, I just haven't been too impressed with either of them. I realized there is a social taboo about "saying ill of the dead" but I don't subscribe to it in all cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMadame View Post
    Well, yes, I'm being vague on purpose because I don't really want to repeat some of the stuff that has been said in the courtroom as it grosses me out, but it makes the dude seem like not a nice person. ... I'm talking about getting off on degrading your sexual partner. While you film it.
    But again, if both adults consent, what's the problem? Why does that make either party seem like not a nice person?

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    A little role-playing never hurt anyone, but everything that he "debased" her with, we only have her word to go on. And through all of it, she's claiming she was victimized by saying, "I felt it was debasing, but I went along with it because I didn't want to upset him." I guess she didn't get the memo about honesty and consent being the most important thing about following a BDSM lifestyle.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the prosecution brought up some of his other gfs or his close friends to sort that matter out, though. If they even care, because this kind of has nothing to do with the fact she stabbed him 30 times....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita18 View Post
    A little role-playing never hurt anyone, but everything that he "debased" her with, we only have her word to go on. And through all of it, she's claiming she was victimized by saying, "I felt it was debasing, but I went along with it because I didn't want to upset him." I guess she didn't get the memo about honesty and consent being the most important thing about following a BDSM lifestyle.
    It's not as if she couldn't walk away if she wanted to. She's only making the claims she's making now because she thinks it'll help her get away with murder. Both parties consented to the sex. She's not a battered woman, she's a murderer. I don't think their sex life is at all relevant to the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMadame View Post
    .... There were some accusations of child porn as well though I don't know if those got backed up or are just more bs from the crazy lady. ......
    Absolutely no proof whatsoever (his computers, phone, home/office, were thoroughly searched) that this ever occurred other than Jodi saying she saw him with pictures, so yes, its just more BS lies from the crazy lady. There has been no other proof or evidence submitted whatsoever other than Jodi's statements (and if it were true, I would think her lawyers would be flying evidence all over the place, but since there is none, all they do is put her on the stand and let her say whatever the hell she wants). Apparently way back in the beginning of this case (he was killed in 2008 so lead up to this trial has been going on for 4+ years) she tried to act as her own lawyer and actually wrote up fake letters she claimed were from Travis saying things like this that she tried to submit as her "evidence". These fakes were caught immediately, and that's when she got appointed lawyers, both of which are being paid for by the State of Arizona. You can't believe a damn word out of her mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaileyCatts View Post
    actually wrote up fake letters she claimed were from Travis saying things like this that she tried to submit as her "evidence".
    So not just crazy, but dumb...
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    must say how impressed I am with alyce violette.. she's a friggin tank.. she might just keep Jodi alive.. I'm against the death penalty anyway even though I have no sympathy for jodi...but she certainly has major issues.. she still needs to be held accountable..
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