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    Quote Originally Posted by Emdee View Post
    I have asked for the shirts but just in case I dont get them on time I will take a yellow polo neck and sweatshirt with me to wear. If not the victory they will get the acclamation.
    If judges will not give them gold you need to do like - boooooo
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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    If judges will not give them gold you need to do like - boooooo
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    Now Pani, you know that we Canadians are NICE and wont do that.... though I am sure some of the spectators will!

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    Well not everyone that will be at World's is Canadian so there *could* be some booing -- one way or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by professordeb View Post
    Well not everyone that will be at World's is Canadian so there *could* be some booing -- one way or another.
    Well not everyone that will be at World's is Canadian so there *could* be some booing -- one way or another.

    USA moms were unhappy, when after D-W get there marks we were like - WHAAAAT?

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    I'll be boo (-hoo-ing) from my living room couch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volunteer View Post
    Hello everyone, I’m a long time figure skating fan who is a huge VM fan and I’ve been following these VM threads for years with appreciation for all your insights.

    Now is the time for me to chime in my opinion, because, I made the mistake of watching the Jenny & what’s his name webcasts about VM – what a bunch of self-important nonsense, right in the same category as DW’s “newfoundconnection”. There is no nuance in their programs, their expression unsophisticated, it’s an all or nothing approach. Posture and body line, though improved are lacking. This is ice-dance folks, interpretation and body line are key.
    I was thinking about D&W's supposed "new found connection" and I actually think their (and especially Meryl's) in-your-face attempt to make them look like they actually have one makes them seem a bit hypocritical. Wasn't there some big article on D&W last season where they (and I think it was Meryl) was quoted as saying certain dance teams really play up a supposed relationship on the ice and in the media when there really isn't one and that they (D&W) are just who they are and don't pretend to be anything they're not (I'm paraphrasing but that was the jist of it). Whatever it was she said seemed like a dig towards V&M. And now with that laughable and embarrassing post-skate OTT scene at Skate America, the recent articles about their connection, etc. it all just seems so contrived and phony. Because they are certainly bending over backwards trying to out-connect V&M and shove it down our throats.

    Re: that Meryl Davis London Free Press article, I wonder how much overtime D&W's agent had to put in to get that published.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
    I was thinking about D&W's supposed "new found connection" and I actually think their (and especially Meryl's) in-your-face attempt to make them look like they actually have one makes them seem a bit hypocritical. Wasn't there some big article on D&W last season where they (and I think it was Meryl) was quoted as saying certain dance teams really play up a supposed relationship on the ice and in the media when there really isn't one and that they (D&W) are just who they are and don't pretend to be anything they're not (I'm paraphrasing but that was the jist of it). Whatever it was she said seemed like a dig towards V&M. And now with that laughable and embarrassing post-skate OTT scene at Skate America, the recent articles about their connection, etc. it all just seems so contrived and phony. Because they are certainly bending over backwards trying to out-connect V&M and shove it down our throats.

    Re: that Meryl Davis London Free Press article, I wonder how much overtime D&W's agent had to put in to get that published.
    Rafter - I hear you - angsty fluttering eyelids and open mouths do not equal "newfoundconnection" - exactly, last year they seemed to be implying that it was phony, and now this year, it's like the second coming.

    In any case when a team has confidence and genuine connection, it does not require repeated reminding, it's purely evident and divine to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
    I was thinking about D&W's supposed "new found connection" and I actually think their (and especially Meryl's) in-your-face attempt to make them look like they actually have one makes them seem a bit hypocritical. Wasn't there some big article on D&W last season where they (and I think it was Meryl) was quoted as saying certain dance teams really play up a supposed relationship on the ice and in the media when there really isn't one and that they (D&W) are just who they are and don't pretend to be anything they're not (I'm paraphrasing but that was the jist of it). :
    I remember this interview. She talked about some teams play in relationships off-ice. And some people thought she talked about W-P.
    A i remember, how during long years the same people talked about how they were bothering with V-M connection and love on ice and how now they talked with enthusiasm about new D-W connection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
    I was thinking about D&W's supposed "new found connection" and I actually think their (and especially Meryl's) in-your-face attempt to make them look like they actually have one makes them seem a bit hypocritical. Wasn't there some big article on D&W last season where they (and I think it was Meryl) was quoted as saying certain dance teams really play up a supposed relationship on the ice and in the media when there really isn't one and that they (D&W) are just who they are and don't pretend to be anything they're not (I'm paraphrasing but that was the jist of it). Whatever it was she said seemed like a dig towards V&M. And now with that laughable and embarrassing post-skate OTT scene at Skate America, the recent articles about their connection, etc. it all just seems so contrived and phony. Because they are certainly bending over backwards trying to out-connect V&M and shove it down our throats.
    That's because it is contrived!
    But it seems like some are falling for the propaganda - the question I have is what percentage of those individuals are not D/W fans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by professordeb View Post
    Well not everyone that will be at World's is Canadian so there *could* be some booing -- one way or another.
    French audiences are known for booing... Canadians are known for standing ovations... what about French-Canadians?


    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
    I was thinking about D&W's supposed "new found connection" and I actually think their (and especially Meryl's) in-your-face attempt to make them look like they actually have one makes them seem a bit hypocritical. Wasn't there some big article on D&W last season where they (and I think it was Meryl) was quoted as saying certain dance teams really play up a supposed relationship on the ice and in the media when there really isn't one and that they (D&W) are just who they are and don't pretend to be anything they're not (I'm paraphrasing but that was the jist of it). Whatever it was she said seemed like a dig towards V&M. And now with that laughable and embarrassing post-skate OTT scene at Skate America, the recent articles about their connection, etc. it all just seems so contrived and phony. Because they are certainly bending over backwards trying to out-connect V&M and shove it down our throats.
    It's very smart tactical strategy. It's implying that they now have the one thing that V&M have had that they lacked. It plays into the notion that their technical abilities and programs are equal, and that it's just a matter of "what you like" and who skates clean. It's all a game of adding bells (literally) and whistles to their program and selling it as "improvements" without reconstructing the technique or adding difficulty. I almost want to say good for them for getting away with that.

    But what can V&M do? They can't go around saying look at how much ice we cover with one push, look how much more difficult our lifts are.... they need people to do that for them. The only one who tried was PJ Kwong and she used the ridiculous cheese analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    But what can V&M do? They can't go around saying look at how much ice we cover with one push, look how much more difficult our lifts are.... they need people to do that for them.
    Maybe they could hire competent people who would do that for them. You know, like the way D/W and practically every other major skater has done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sap5 View Post
    Maybe they could hire competent people who would do that for them. You know, like the way D/W and practically every other major skater has done.
    Exactly. It's amazing. I have to laugh when thinking about how long Skate Canada and B&K were insisting they were the best in the world, and now they actually have the reigning Olympic champions and don't know how to sell them at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    Exactly. It's amazing. I have to laugh when thinking about how long Skate Canada and B&K were insisting they were the best in the world, and now they actually have the reigning Olympic champions and don't know how to sell them at all!
    The best V-M PR, like SaharaRain post on FF - intervews with Jeniffer Swan, Maria Mountain, ice-dance.com article. And PJ interview in summer from London.
    Considering what russan specialists talked about V-M, i am not sure they need PR. There skating speek for themselfs, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    The best V-M PR, like SaharaRain post on FF - intervews with Jeniffer Swan, Maria Mountain, ice-dance.com article. And PJ interview in summer from London.
    Considering what russan specialists talked about V-M, i am not sure they need PR. There skating speek for themselfs, no?
    Of course. I thought you of all people though would think Skate Canada should be doing more to promote them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    Of course. I thought you of all people though would think Skate Canada should be doing more to promote them?
    Yes, i think SC have best ever canadian ice dance team now and this to less recognized in Canada, then Shae-Lynn and Victor (i loved this two, but they wasnt V-M) and Elvis Stoiko. ut now they did more promrtion for W-P and G-P, then for V-M.
    But look, like V-M didnt want all this promrtion. Maybe they want to protect Tessa. And maybe before (untill 2010) coaches did all this promotion work for them, but then thigs changed.

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    Chan too. In 2011 and 2012 they built up an aura of invincibility around Chan that he could do no wrong, that he had a significant advantage even with multiple falls because of his depth of edge, his flow, the transitions, the quality of everything he did... well, shouldn't those things be even more important in ice dancing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    Chan too. In 2011 and 2012 they built up an aura of invincibility around Chan that he could do no wrong, that he had a significant advantage even with multiple falls because of his depth of edge, his flow, the transitions, the quality of everything he did... well, shouldn't those things be even more important in ice dancing?
    Yes. But honestly i thin Chan is a talent that comes once in a 20 years. So i agree, his PCS must be higher, then others will have. Like V-M.
    Maybe thats help - Patrick didnt have close competitior from USA? I felt all the time since 2009 SC did more promotion to D-W, then to V-M They could simply didnt talk about them, but they prised them higher, then so really strong dancers.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    French audiences are known for booing... Canadians are known for standing ovations... what about French-Canadians?
    booing-ovations

    if d/w do win i do hope they get booed i, for one am quite tired of this "polite canadian" stereotype

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    Chan too. In 2011 and 2012 they built up an aura of invincibility around Chan that he could do no wrong, that he had a significant advantage even with multiple falls because of his depth of edge, his flow, the transitions, the quality of everything he did... well, shouldn't those things be even more important in ice dancing?
    I could be all wrong but my way of seeing it is that they could build an aura of invincibility around Chan because he was winning all the time but now that a few other skaters caught up with him doing two quads or even three quads in the long program and that Chan has been losing more often than not because he can't afford to make mistakes anymore, I notice that the tone has changed quite a bit. Maybe they'd build an aura of invincibility around V/M too if they were winning all the time. I could be wrong again but I suspect it's not that easy to strongly politik for a team that kept answering the question "Are you going to continue next season?" or "Are you going to continue until Sochi?" by "We don't know yet, we'll have to sit and talk, we take one season at a time" and suchlike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    I could be all wrong but my way of seeing it is that they could build an aura of invincibility around Chan because he was winning all the time but now that a few other skaters caught up with him doing two quads or even three quads in the long program and that Chan has been losing more often than not because he can't afford to make mistakes anymore, I notice that the tone has changed quite a bit. Maybe they'd build an aura of invincibility around V/M too if they were winning all the time.
    Definitely. It's a chicken and egg thing. The aura of invincibility came because he was winning a lot of stuff, but part of the reason he was winning all that stuff was because (rightly or wrongly) the belief was that he was that good that he had a cushion where he could fall and win. My thought is, V&M excel at everything at which Chan excels, and they're more musical, and their elements are at the maximum difficulty, and they don't make as many mistakes... so where is their huge point advantage? For that matter why did N&K have such a huge point advantage just because of superior bodyline, while lacking in many other qualities that V&M have?
    I could be wrong again but I suspect it's not that easy to strongly politik for a team that kept answering the question "Are you going to continue next season?" or "Are you going to continue until Sochi?" by "We don't know yet, we'll have to sit and talk, we take one season at a time" and suchlike.
    That's a really great point. I'd never thought about it that way.
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