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    So kraft slices=no connection and bad leg line. Equilibrium has been restored, insults all around and once again the two teams are equal It didn't make me angry though, I actually that of the four videos she decided to send in she picked the two Carmens and had them in part 2. I was thinking it would either be I&K or P&B. I&K because it would be funny to show that to non-skating fans just for the reaction to "help me, he's been shot" or P&B because they are the reigning world bronze medallists. Poor P&B, completely forgotten, Nathalie needs to call a press conference asap.

    eta.. The videos are cute and interesting. I also love the part where Lori Nichol turns to the other coaches standing with her at the boards and laughs while saying (of Chan) she makes him do it over and over because she loves watching it. Unfortunately I suck at technology but hopefully someone else will find a way to get it on youtube for the rest of you.
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    And in the meantime, here's a transcript/description... I tried my best to get it right. The clips are interspersed with them sitting beside each other, interview style.

    Scott: I'm Tessa Virtue.
    Tessa (with a laugh and a sideways glance at Scott): I'm Scott Moir.
    Scott (holding his hand out for a high five): Hey, I didn't know if you were going to go along with that! I'm Scott Moir.
    Tessa: I'm Tessa Virtue.
    Scott: There we go.
    (clip of them doing their opening to Funny Face)
    Scott: I think we've been very lucky to have each other. It started so young. I mean, Tessa doesn't even remember life without me, which is kind of scary for her.
    Tessa (nodding briefly; clips of them doing the 'dip' in FF then laughing during the choreography afterwards, then in the change room dealing with their skates): You know, we're not going to pretend it's been easy. I think, anyone who's been in a relationship or partnership for 14 years --
    Scott: When you work so closely --
    Tessa: Knows it's hard work.
    Scott: We always say, if we're going spend so much time at something, we might as well be having fun. (clip plays of them doing the opening moves of their Latin SD). You know, she probably is the only one who laughs at my jokes every day and it's going to be really disappointing when I have to move on in my life and I'll have to be calling her with all my jokes that I think are hilarious and she'll give me the couretesy laugh.
    Tessa (laughing): Those are real, they're real laughs.
    Scott: Yeah, that's nice.
    Tessa: I think --
    Scott: I don't believe you.
    Tessa (clips playing of Tessa leaving the rink, then of them inside off-ice working out): You know, there are always those mornings when you don't want to get out of bed, you don't want to go train long, hard hours in a cold rink, but that's when I just remember what I'm working towards and luckily for me, I have a partner so I can show up at the rink (playing clip of footwork during FF) and we can talk about why are we doing this, why are we putting our bodies through this and why are we suffering so much.
    Scott: And you see my face every morning.
    Tessa (laughing): That's true.
    Scott: Oh, you know as soon as you make it out of bed and as long as you make it into the rink, you'll see my face and everything will be fine. (clip playing of Tessa working on her skates, looking up and laughing, Scott jogging by)

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    Thanks, Fort!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sap5 View Post
    But why would she be hurt by the idea that she can play a role so well that she's fooling people? That makes no sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    And you never will find people, who start dicuss how rude Icenetwork is. Second season in row they all time talking about D-W connection. So i think its normal that before OG they will end V-M will not connection at all


    Sorry. Positive is to post Tessa were crying before ex at 4CC? Ot to agree with that "expert"?
    To discuss V-M choreo in FD is better is negative thoughts?
    In my opinion, the USFSA/ icenetwork has been going overboard both last season and this season in trying to discredit Virtue and Moir. Very political and very obvious IMO. To me, it ends up making the USFSA, and by extension D&W, look desperate.

    It is just laughable that the icetwork article would claim a lack of connection on V&Ms part. Meanwhile they are playing up D&Ws contrived, fake, 'trying too hard' connection that is not even close to being believable. It all just reeks of desperation and politics.

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    I agree, Rafter. And especially this criticism about legs lines

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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    I agree, Rafter. And especially this criticism about legs lines
    I laughed out loud,when I read that. I hope the months before Sochi don't get too ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marta24 View Post
    I laughed out loud,when I read that. I hope the months before Sochi don't get too ugly.

    Smelly cheese and bad legs, I think they already are ugly

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    Quote Originally Posted by IoanaC View Post
    Please don't get angry, guys. The "lack of connection" theory HAS GOT to be the most ridiculous thing anyone has ever said/written about a V/M program. Even more ridiculous is that Icenetwork has decided to emphasize that in the article and in the photo description. It's not worth getting worked up about.
    I know that given the source, I should just roll my eyes and go on, but I just can't help it with the anger right now. I know that what was said was hands-down the most ridiculous thing that has ever been said/written about V/M, but I still find it insulting to say, of all things, that V/M need to work on their connection when it is one of the big things they are known for. Not only do they have the best connection out of any of the teams competing right now, their connection is one of the greatest of all time.

    Don't even get me started on the leg lines... Someone just needs to look at photos to see how much better V/M's lines are. It's like they're literally connected by an invisible thread they're so matching with each other.

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    thanks Icenetwork for giving us another gem, after the "Scott is not very expressive" of last year.addressing to Tessa and Scott the issues of their rivals..it took brilliant minds to conceive a strategy like this!

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    To the defense of Icenetwork, maybe they had other ice dancers in mind when they wrote about bad leg line and lack of connection between partners and they just mixed up names? It would be the only sensible explanation, I think.

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    I'm not too bothered by it, considering the source? Guess people see what they want to see. That guy makes some valid points, but clearly missed two very big ones: lines and connection. But, again, I do not take it too seriously. It is clear icenetwork is using it to their advantage, make no mistake of that.

    I wish Tessa and Scott read that. Very much.

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    Lois Elfman replied to a commenter in the Facebook comments section at the bottom of her article as follows - ETA relevant excerpt:
    For starters, Icenetwork had nothing to do with Henry Byalikov being selected to work with me on an article. I picked him because I like his dancing and I wanted a ballroom person I hadn't previously interviewed about skating to look at the performances and give opinions. Second, it's meant to be the view of a dance person outside of the skating world. Strictly in his opinion as a dancer. As I often ask dancers to look at skating programs, it is my experience they often view programs differently than people within the skating world. Lastly, the attention Mr. Byalikov paid to details and thoughtful commentary was impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by professordeb View Post
    I wouldn't call either program cheesy either, Doris, but I understand what PJ was trying to get at without her going into a lot of specifics. Maybe she should have used another anology or been more specific but I'm sure she'd still piss off *some* D/W ubers (as I read in the D/W thread).

    I love both teams but prefer V/M and one thing that PJ said near the end resonated with me. What if we were to compare D/W's DF of last year to V/M's Carmen of this year. She thinks that is a more comprable comparision -- and so do I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aka_gerbil View Post
    OMG, really? V/M need to work on their connection to each other?

    Flowerpower, like you, this just makes me angry. Angry to the point I can't see straight.
    im not angry at all
    this guy is a tool and its hilarious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Lois Elfman replied to a commenter in the Facebook comments section at the bottom of her article as follows:
    Not sure I get your point. Are you asking people here to be respectful while they disagree?

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    Honestly, it will be all OK, if I will read something about BS lifts, which didn't look perfect. And if I will read some interesting comments about what DW need to improve. But like someone mentioned before, they look perfect for.them. So why now icenetwork are angry on people who disagree with this opinion? Sorry, but this article look like was payed. I will not wonder to read about perfect Chock lines and Fd. But last season all this rude.brought good places to VM

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcg View Post
    Not sure I get your point. Are you asking people here to be respectful while they disagree?
    Just watched comments. It was just one comment to this article and what a reaction from Icenetwork. One person disagree what a problem? And maybe they could find better specialist, but the results will be the same _ they need to tell what they need.

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    I wish I knew which performance(s) he watched. That, too, could make a difference. For example, he felt that areas of opportunity to improve were in lift choice. If he watched, say, the GPF, then the choreographic lift was an issue. Or, with regards to connection, perhaps he was noticing them paying more attention to say, the actual steps in their altered step sequences and not as much to each other (in that way that VM have, which is not just to look at one another because the choreography requires it but really seeing each other), or maybe he was a little lost on an emotional level because this Carmen doesn't follow the traditional story (but give him this, he said nothing about anything being too sexy, LOL). I think it also doesn't help that perhaps a dancer might not fully appreciate the difficulty of step sequences and how, for a real ice dance fan, a highlight rather than just a 'lull' between the more obvious impressions -- maybe to him, there are step sequences when he's wishing there was a bigger (more obvious) build to the story (a lot of how I was reading his comments seemed to be a choreographic issue for their connection rather than literally, just between them).

    The leg line thing throws me a little, but at least he does applaud their extensions and posture and unison (at what point does leg line come in here???), which are two things that we as VM fans wish would account for a little more in the ideals of ice dance these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martyross View Post
    thanks Icenetwork for giving us another gem, after the "Scott is not very expressive" of last year.
    Seriously? wtf.

    I can't imagine how IN could consider that FB post a personal attack. Someone should invite that person to join FSU!

    As someone who couldn't see the video, thank you Fort for posting a transcript.

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    Another thing about that article was the comment about lift choices. WTF? V&Ms lifts in Carmen are pretty spectacular and all new for them. To criticize their lifts is really grasping at straws.

    I noticed someone mentioned the caption under the photo so I went back and looked and of course the caption makes mention of a lack of connection. :roll eyes: And they post a pic where they are not looking at each other. It's ridiculous. They (icenetwork/USFSA) are so transparent in their politicking for Davis and White it's not even funny. I wonder what Marina would think of this article?

    Btw, Lois Elfman sure was defensive. I almost wonder of Elfman is the poster"KKonas" on GS. KKonas is a huge V&MS naysayer/D&W booster and particularly dislikes Scott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
    Another thing about that article was the comment about lift choices. WTF? V&Ms lifts in Carmen are pretty spectacular and all new for them. To criticize their lifts is really grasping at straws.

    I noticed someone mentioned the caption under the photo so I went back and looked and of course the caption makes mention of a lack of connection. :roll eyes: And they post a pic where they are not looking at each other. It's ridiculous. They (icenetwork/USFSA) are so transparent in their politicking for Davis and White it's not even funny. I wonder what Marina would think of this article?

    Btw, Lois Elfman sure was defensive. I almost wonder of Elfman is the poster"KKonas" on GS. KKonas is a huge V&MS naysayer/D&W booster and particularly dislikes Scott.
    you should ask her lol

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